[16:10] You: well need to send notices out first [16:10] Jessica Qin is Offline [16:10] John Zhaoying: Okay, back to w2w [16:10] Malburns Writer is Offline [16:10] Hydra Shaftoe is Offline [16:14] Garret Bakalava is Online [16:14] KimSmith Kanto is Online [16:14] Leinad Meriman is Online [16:14] John Zhaoying accepted your inventory offer. [16:15] Eureka Dejavu is Offline [16:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Requesting landmark data for: World2Worlds, World2Worlds (142, 185, 35) [16:16] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nani%20Koki/35/27/25 [16:16] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat... [16:16] Connected [16:16] Malburns Writer is Online [16:16] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Polaris Grayson (10m), John Zhaoying (10m), Poid Mahovlich (15m), KimSmith Kanto (19m) [16:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (12m) [16:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Aram Gausman (4m) [16:17] Poid Mahovlich: Hi scope [16:17] You: Hi Scope, Poid! [16:17] You: Welcome! [16:17] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Rissa [16:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m) [16:17] Poid Mahovlich: tyty [16:17] Scope Cleaver: Lol I was goingt o IM you to ask if you wanted to park your AV Poid [16:17] You: Setting up a few things still in the background, so please excuse. [16:17] Poid Mahovlich: ditto scope [16:17] Scope Cleaver: Greetings Rissa!! [16:17] Poid Mahovlich: I thought I wud do the same [16:17] You: Hi Malburns! [16:17] Scope Cleaver: Hello Malburns [16:17] Malburns Writer: Hi Scope [16:18] Malburns Writer: Hi Rissa [16:18] Builder Link is Online [16:18] Scope Cleaver: :) [16:18] Nazz Lane is Online [16:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara Yeats (4m) [16:18] Poid Mahovlich: :) [16:18] You: Tara! [16:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (3m) [16:18] You: welcome! [16:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Aram Gausman (18m) [16:18] Malburns Writer: hi Tara [16:18] Tara Yeats: Hiya Rissa! [16:18] Scope Cleaver: Greetings Tara [16:18] Poid Mahovlich: *nods to Miko [16:18] You: Excuse me a second, sending out reminders. [16:18] Tara Yeats: Hi Scope :-) [16:18] Miko Omegamu: Hello Poid. :) [16:18] Poid Mahovlich: :) [16:18] Tara Yeats: and Poid and Mal [16:18] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Miko [16:18] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Tara [16:19] Poid Mahovlich: sorry lost in IM's [16:19] Scope Cleaver: From what I read this is going to be an interesting event :) [16:19] Poid Mahovlich: indeed [16:19] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Polaris Grayson (19m) [16:19] Scope Cleaver: I know you are in IM Rissa but nice suit :) [16:19] Poid Mahovlich: /ao on [16:19] You: thanks! [16:20] Poid Mahovlich: /ao on [16:20] BabyBoo Glitterbuck is Offline [16:21] Jessica Qin is Online [16:21] You decline Second Life looks at Google Lively from A group member named Rissa Maidstone. [16:21] BabyBoo Glitterbuck is Online [16:21] John Zhaoying: And there we are. [16:22] John Zhaoying: Hi, everybody! [16:22] Malburns Writer: HJi John [16:22] Garret Bakalava is Offline [16:22] Scope Cleaver: hello John [16:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Pooky Amsterdam (3m) [16:23] John Zhaoying: Scope, how are you? I have to say again, I thought that theatre you built for SL5B was magnificent. [16:23] John Zhaoying: What happened to it? [16:23] Scope Cleaver: Oh thank you so much! :) [16:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Chase Marellan (2m) [16:23] You decline Second Life looks at Google Lively from A group member named Rissa Maidstone. [16:23] John Zhaoying: Pray God they didn't sink it with the island. [16:23] Builder Link is Offline [16:23] Scope Cleaver: That was actually a copy of a build we have permanent at Princeton on a sim called "Alexander Beach" [16:23] John Zhaoying: Ah. Excellent. [16:23] Scope Cleaver: Here is an LM [16:23] Eeron Kilian is Offline [16:23] John Zhaoying: Real Santiago Calatrava stuff. [16:23] Pooky Amsterdam: Ahoy Rissa [16:24] Scope Cleaver: There are other builds there worth looking at as well [16:24] Scope Cleaver: 9 sims worth! [16:24] You decline Second Life looks at Google Lively from A group member named Rissa Maidstone. [16:24] Grace McDunnough is Offline [16:24] Poid Mahovlich: and we just cut the grasss [16:24] John Zhaoying: I'll check it out. Yeah, Princeton ... those Ivy people are energetic. [16:24] Scope Cleaver: Poid opened an installation recently as well [16:24] Pooky Amsterdam: beautiful build that was [16:25] Scope Cleaver: I am afraid to sit anywhere as I don't know where the panel will take place [16:25] You decline Second Life looks at Google Lively from A group member named Rissa Maidstone. [16:25] You decline Second Life looks at Google Lively from A group member named Rissa Maidstone. [16:25] Scope Cleaver: Is it here in this building or outside? [16:25] Malburns Writer: yes wondering that [16:26] Scarlett Qi is Online [16:26] Tara Yeats: Hi John! [16:26] Malburns Writer: thought you'd bropught yr drawing table too Scope for a sec [16:26] Mazz Klata is Online [16:26] Scope Cleaver: Looks like KimSmith is doing a lot more work than I am [16:26] Poid Mahovlich: ha [16:26] Poid Mahovlich: bent double [16:26] Scope Cleaver: It's the week end I can afford to slack a lil bit yes? :) [16:27] Poid Mahovlich: yus [16:27] Malburns Writer: Is there going to be video recording of this? [16:27] Scope Cleaver: Not on *my* video card trust me. [16:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: PI Illios (3m) [16:27] Malburns Writer: lol [16:27] Malburns Writer: nor mine [16:27] Scope Cleaver: I should probably turn everything off not to crash during the show actually [16:27] Malburns Writer: was looking at "videobot" tag on Kim [16:28] Scope Cleaver: Ah Ah [16:28] Bjorlyn Loon accepted your inventory offer. [16:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: LifeFactory Writer (3m) [16:29] John Zhaoying: It's out [16:29] LifeFactory Writer: Good day, All. [16:29] Poid Mahovlich: HI Life [16:29] Scope Cleaver: Hello Life [16:29] You: Whew, that's all done. [16:29] Persis Trilling is Online [16:29] You: Hey Life! [16:29] Malburns Writer: Hi Life [16:29] Pooky Amsterdam: hello life [16:30] ::: W2Wtest13: ... [16:30] LifeFactory Writer: Wow, what a nice crowd! Hi. [16:30] You: Welcome everyone, please get comfortable :) [16:30] Scope Cleaver: We thought we'd sit here Rissa [16:30] Chase Marellan: Great, that's working. [16:30] You: Anywhere is fine...this is casual :) [16:30] John Zhaoying: Great. Thanks, Chase! [16:30] LifeFactory Writer: I think I will try to visit this in both worlds... [16:30] Chase Marellan: my pleasure [16:30] Chase Marellan: see you in a few [16:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [16:30] John Zhaoying: You know, you folks look fabulous. [16:30] You: Persis, glad you could come! [16:30] Tara5 Oh is Online [16:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (13m) [16:30] Flight Band: All Go [16:30] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Persis [16:30] John Zhaoying: Excellent choice of couches, Rissa. [16:31] Scope Cleaver: The couches help a lot John [16:31] You: Hi Tara5! Great to see you. [16:31] LifeFactory Writer: Well, someone gave us a fabulous place to look good in and a great reason to be here! [16:31] You: Thank you John. [16:31] Malburns Writer: Hi there Tara5 [16:31] Tara5 Oh: Hi there! [16:31] Scope Cleaver: Hiya Tara5! :) [16:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eric Reuters (8m) [16:31] You: Okay, switching to my bot for a sec, to ensure cameras are set. [16:31] You: HI Eric! [16:31] Tara5 Oh: ]Yes great idea for a presentation! [16:31] John Zhaoying: So this is going to be funny,. [16:31] Malburns Writer: Hi Eric [16:31] Eric Reuters: hey Rissa. thanks for having me [16:31] Tara Yeats: Hi Tara5 :-) [16:31] Persis Trilling: /ao off [16:31] John Zhaoying: Some of us here. All of us except Mitch in Lively. [16:31] Virgil Outlander is Online [16:31] Tara5 Oh: maybe I will log into Lively at the same time o!! [16:31] Scope Cleaver: Hello Persis! :) [16:32] Persis Trilling: Hi all! [16:32] Tara5 Oh: is Mitch in Lively? [16:32] Pooky Amsterdam: not yet a lively one [16:32] Tara5 Oh: where is he? [16:32] John Zhaoying: Mitch is on a Mac, so no. [16:32] Tara Yeats: I'm logged in both places - guaranteed confusion! [16:32] Jeffronius Batra is Online [16:32] LifeFactory Writer: I was in the LIvely room built by Pathfinder Linden this moring...it looked and sounded great and was full of people. [16:32] Tara5 Oh: OK tara I will hget Lively up! [16:32] John Zhaoying: We're hoping Path will join us. [16:32] John Zhaoying: Somewhere. [16:32] Tara5 Oh: Path's room is one of the most popular hehe [16:32] Scope Cleaver: You are not really here Tara... *spooky soundtrack* [16:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (14m) [16:33] Schmilsson Nilsson is Offline [16:33] John Zhaoying: Well, it brings with it an SL native audience. [16:33] LifeFactory Writer: It is really nice! I think he must have been hanging out there for awhile already! [16:33] Tara5 Oh: yes and people enjoy the comparisons good and bad [16:33] Tara5 Oh: it makes for conversation! [16:33] John Zhaoying: Actually, he used a standard room-shell. That space station with the sharks and whales? [16:33] Tara Yeats: LOL Scope... uh, hwere? [16:33] LifeFactory Writer: yes..the underwater space station. [16:33] Scope Cleaver: Yes well the mere fact that there is a conversation is actually very telling... [16:33] Pooky Amsterdam: its obviously real time interaction - how many registered users so far? [16:33] John Zhaoying: One cool thing about Lively is that they package standard stuff for you. [16:33] Pooky Amsterdam: any numbers>? [16:33] You: John? [16:33] Tara5 Oh: I wish I could figure how to get video and pictures up!! [16:33] Malburns Writer: I couldnt even install it on Vista - am missing out of livliness right now! [16:33] John Zhaoying: No clue about numbers. [16:33] John Zhaoying: Yes, Rissa? [16:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Alanagh Recreant (13m) [16:33] Tara5 Oh: it is not obvious to me [16:33] You: Can you take a peek over in the Lively screen? [16:34] LifeFactory Writer: I did not realize the sharks, etc...were standard fare. [16:34] You: Eric has a question there. [16:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Jeffronius Batra (13m) [16:34] Poid Mahovlich: I can't get it to log me into a room *rolls eyes [16:34] Pooky Amsterdam: ok i iwll try to get inlively [16:34] LifeFactory Writer: I just joined this morning. Have not really had time to look around or learn it yet. [16:34] KimSmith Kanto: Jeff! welcome! [16:34] KimSmith Kanto: oops, this is the bot, better say that on Rissa [16:34] Ronnie Rhode: Hey Life :) Hey everybody. [16:34] Tara5 Oh: there is a mysterious Lively Worlds beta up [16:34] Jeffronius Batra: Hi Kim! [16:34] Pooky Amsterdam: url? [16:34] You: Welcome Jeff, and everone else I may have missed, Pooky :) [16:34] Scope Cleaver: Is this representative of a future where we'll be logged on multiple world at the same time? [16:35] Tara5 Oh: could this be where the sketchbook google maps integrations start?? [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: Ahoy Rissa! [16:35] You: Could be, and it's a little tough! grin [16:35] Jeffronius Batra: Hi Rissa (aren't you Kim?) [16:35] Malburns Writer: Lively Worlds? a different one? [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: i think so Scope [16:35] Silicon Plunkett is Online [16:35] You: am in both places with a bot here to do the video recording [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: its the best we can do with interoperability now [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: that or rocketOn [16:35] Scope Cleaver: I am already dizzy in SL... Pooky... [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: no lie [16:35] Tara5 Oh: he someone should stream this presentaion into Lively! [16:35] Pooky Amsterdam: thank goodness im dittin down [16:36] Jeffronius Batra: Ah, ok... [16:36] Malburns Writer: gimme "Weblins" any day - lol [16:36] John Zhaoying: Weblins is great! [16:36] Alanagh Recreant waves sleepily [16:36] Tara5 Oh: i didn't really like bein a weblin [16:36] John Zhaoying: We could co-produce this in Weblins, too. Just send a bunch of Weblins to the realtime page. [16:36] John Zhaoying: Rocketon is weblins on steroids. [16:37] John Zhaoying: Hey, Jeff! [16:37] Tara Yeats: my weblin is there, John... forgot about that! ha [16:37] Pooky Amsterdam: id rather weblins on acid [16:37] LifeFactory Writer: Heehee...What fun. Are other's of you also sitting in the Lively room? [16:37] Malburns Writer: was wondering why Metanomics promoting that tomorrow - is it much better? [16:37] Pooky Amsterdam: oh that is habbo [16:37] Eric Reuters: weblins is interesting. some of their advertising tie-ins have worked really well. [16:37] Tara5 Oh: Well I am in Ugotrade in Lively too now it is very lonely just me an my chair [16:38] John Zhaoying: Laugh. [16:38] Megz Xevious is Online [16:38] John Zhaoying: Everybody already has a Lively room. [16:38] Tara5 Oh: but people doo stop by randomly occasionally it seems [16:38] Pooky Amsterdam: ok Im still looking for th eurl [16:38] Pooky Amsterdam: so i cna join all you lively people [16:38] John Zhaoying: I had a very nice guy in there, couple nights ago, from Nanchang. [16:38] John Zhaoying: You want the Lively URL? [16:38] John Zhaoying: http://www.lively.com/dr?rid=-3524669289284570387 [16:38] LifeFactory Writer: THere are few people sitting in the event room. [16:38] Stefan Buscaylet is Online [16:38] John Zhaoying: There's the direct Lively URL [16:39] Eric Reuters is Online [16:39] Malburns Writer: can you make lively objects into SLurls? [16:39] Tara5 Oh: is anyone here in Lively too could they visit me to push my room count visitors out of the single digits!!! [16:39] Pooky Amsterdam: TY JOHN! [16:39] Alanagh Recreant: Life :) [16:39] John Zhaoying: You SORTA can, Malburns. [16:39] LifeFactory Writer: I honestly do not know how to do things in there yet. [16:39] You: Ok, we're recording .... [16:39] Alanagh Recreant: I am there too... [16:39] John Zhaoying: I've been fooling with that. [16:39] John Zhaoying: You can force a page-shift. [16:39] LifeFactory Writer: The W2W site provided a direct link into the event room. [16:39] Tara5 Oh: Some people seem to have there own animations though [16:39] You: Welcome everyone! In case I missed you again. I'm not used to being 3 places at once and feel it's affecting my ability to welcome you all, please forgive. [16:39] Tara5 Oh: cos they jump you with them!! [16:39] Alanagh Recreant forgot the key for the SL advanced menue - to rebake [16:40] Eric Reuters: tara5: I noticed that too [16:40] Alanagh Recreant: grrrr [16:40] John Zhaoying: You should all look at the W2W site in any case, if you want to see the video from within Lively. Audio-only here. [16:40] Malburns Writer: np Rissa - we understand [16:40] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eleonora Porta (11m) [16:40] You: laugh [16:40] Paradox Olbers is Online [16:40] Tara5 Oh: so how did they do it eric?? [16:40] You: I hope I do! [16:40] Eric Reuters: not sure yet [16:40] LifeFactory Writer: Hello Alanagh. Your colleague is sitting next to me in the oher room. [16:40] Tara5 Oh: it looks like user generated content is there for some!!! [16:40] Eleonora Porta: good evening [16:40] LifeFactory Writer: or is that you? [16:40] You: Eleonora, great to see you here, and welcome :) [16:40] Tara Yeats starts a SL class on Avatar Bifurcation 101 [16:40] Alanagh Recreant: I am the bear-looking meerkat there Life [16:41] Eric Reuters: yes, it does. or more likely, approved developers from MoU/whereever are leaking animations to friends not yet generally available [16:41] You: laugh, Tara [16:41] LifeFactory Writer: Is there any link between this world and the Lively room....a feed or something? [16:41] Eric Reuters: some of that are nice [16:41] Tara5 Oh: like the errrr hug one [16:41] LifeFactory Writer: would chat bridge work between them? Could one stream video between them? [16:41] Calico Ingmann is Offline [16:41] Tara5 Oh: it is really spooky when someone pops into yer room and jumps you! [16:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Wiski Oh (9m) [16:41] You: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/w2w-realtime-page [16:42] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Polaris Grayson (10m) [16:42] Alanagh Recreant: someone just told me my bear looking meerkat looks like a pig [16:42] Alanagh Recreant: hahaha [16:42] You: that will give you the audio stream and the look at Lively, live. [16:42] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Wiski Oh (10m) [16:42] Tara5 Oh: Lively has a new form of griefers they are "beefers" [16:42] LifeFactory Writer: I must try to see if both world windows can be filmmed at the same time... [16:42] Zee Pixel is Online [16:42] You: laugh, Tara, it's awful. We already had a griefer over in Lively too. [16:42] Rissa Maidstone chuckles. [16:42] You: No way to control it there. [16:43] You: Well, maybe there is, but this is an experiment. [16:43] Tara5 Oh: nope funny thing is it seems griefing and sex are rampant there at the minute!! makes SL look like the '50s [16:43] Eric Reuters: haha [16:43] Tara Yeats: Rissa - yea, even a private room seems to not be, and no way to evict a snert [16:43] John Zhaoying: We have more advanced weapons, though. [16:44] Tara5 Oh: really what did they start doing??? [16:44] Zee Pixel is Offline [16:44] Ozzy Wozniak: hi :) [16:44] Goedeke Messmer is Offline [16:44] ::: W2WBjorlyn Loon: hello [16:44] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (10m) [16:44] JoannaTrail Blazer is Online [16:45] Pooky Amsterdam: im trying to log on [16:45] Debs Regent: is there a talk here now? [16:45] Eric Reuters: I had a griefer drop an anvil on my head on Lively. Well done animation, right out of Road Runner. not sure how they did it yet, but I'm new [16:45] Pooky Amsterdam: did it hurt though? [16:45] Pooky Amsterdam: ow that would be an achievement [16:46] Paradox Olbers: hi Pooky :) [16:46] Megz Xevious is Offline [16:46] Ronnie Rhode has a mean anvil in SL [16:46] Eric Reuters: lol. well, cartoon stars only, thankfully [16:46] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (9m) [16:46] Ronnie Rhode: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/upcoming-events [16:46] Pooky Amsterdam: paradox! [16:46] Pooky Amsterdam: hiya [16:46] Pooky Amsterdam: S;-D [16:46] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Nazz Lane (16m) [16:46] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (7m) [16:46] Stefan Buscaylet is Offline [16:46] Ronnie Rhode: Hey Nazz :) [16:47] Eric Reuters waves hi to friends old and new [16:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (9m) [16:47] LifeFactory Writer: Is there anything other than chatting that one can do in Lively? I know one can stream. Or is this what we are to find out today? And...please, I still hear music.. I assume nothing else is going on yet? [16:47] Ronnie Rhode: Hi Eric :) [16:47] Debs Regent: HI Eric [16:47] Tara5 Oh: Yes I really wanna know where all those unlisted animations are coming from [16:47] Stefan Buscaylet is Online [16:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (8m) [16:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [16:47] Eric Reuters: me too Tara5! [16:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [16:48] Tara5 Oh: next time someone unloads one on me I am going to ask more questions [16:48] Pooky Amsterdam: questions are good [16:48] Tara Yeats: and the sound effects... and the teen angst posture! [16:48] You: John is just turning the audio stream on I believe. [16:48] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (9m) [16:48] You: Music may be playing on it now. [16:48] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (8m) [16:49] You: Hi dinee! [16:49] You: Has Mitch arrived yet? [16:49] Tara5 Oh: what is the name of the W2W ROOM RISSA? [16:49] Tara5 Oh: sorry caps! [16:49] You: Let me check on the website, atm I can't remember :P [16:49] dinee Ghia: hi Rissa :) [16:50] dinee Ghia: Mitch isnt online yet [16:50] You: It's all here, and you can watch the lively room there too: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/livelytm [16:50] You: I"ll try to ping him on the other computer. BRB (when I'm not here answering you it's likely I'm at the video comp) [16:50] Alanagh Recreant is slouching next to Tara Yeats in Lively... [16:50] Tara5 Oh: I suppose I will leave my lonely Ugotrade room and pop over! [16:51] John Zhaoying: Ladies and gentlemen - a few points of order ... [16:51] Alanagh Recreant: don't suppose we can send invites [16:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Cathrin Laville (15m) [16:51] John Zhaoying: What you chat here is being transmitted via the chatbridge to the video/realtime page on www.world2worlds.com, so assume that intrusion on your privacy, please. [16:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [16:52] You: Ok Mitch is almost here [16:52] Scope Cleaver waves to the outside world feeling humbled [16:52] John Zhaoying: If you want to ask questions during the thing, you can type them here, and I'll try to be aware. But since I'm streaming and doing other housekeeping, it'll be hard. [16:52] LifeFactory Writer: Alanagh...where are you finding your animations in Lively? You look like you have been there for awhile *wink* [16:52] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [16:52] John Zhaoying: People on the web, likewise, can ask questions in chatbridge chat and we'll see them. [16:52] You: and I'll try to track them too...everyone will be available afterward to chat too [16:52] JoannaTrail Blazer is Offline [16:52] John Zhaoying: But this is the first time we're dealing with this set of connections, so please remember your questions in case we drop the proverbial ball. [16:53] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [16:53] Malburns Writer: Hey Dizzy [16:53] Poid Mahovlich: Hi Dizzy [16:53] Persis Trilling: Hi Dizzy [16:53] Poid Mahovlich: sorry I tp you onto Persis lap [16:53] Scope Cleaver: Uncle Diz! [16:53] Alanagh Recreant: / LifeFactory, right click on your avie there - its next to profile ;) [16:53] LifeFactory Writer: Hello Dizzy [16:53] RobinG2 Proto is Online [16:53] Dizzy Banjo: i appear to have landed on your lap persis ;) :P [16:53] Persis Trilling: what an honor! [16:53] Poid Mahovlich: ha [16:53] Poid Mahovlich: costs extra [16:53] LifeFactory Writer: Ty...and you look stuning, Alanagh. [16:53] Poid Mahovlich: pay up [16:53] Dizzy Banjo: lol [16:54] Mitch Wagner is Online [16:54] Scope Cleaver: Free lapdance heh? [16:54] Poid Mahovlich: ha tyty [16:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Dizzy Banjo (2m) [16:54] You: Mitch incoming. [16:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Paradox Olbers (7m) [16:54] You: Hi Dizzy! [16:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Wispy Broome (6m), Miko Omegamu (9m) [16:54] Alanagh Recreant: LifeFactory: here or there? lol [16:54] Persis Trilling: I get 60 percent, remember [16:54] Dizzy Banjo: howdy :D [16:54] You: LAUGH [16:54] Poid Mahovlich: hahah Dizzy [16:54] LifeFactory Writer: Here, Alanagh...you look cute over there! [16:54] Sophrosyne Stenvaag is Online [16:54] You: omg Mitch, that's great! [16:54] Dizzy Banjo: hi scope. life, rissa.. all D: [16:54] Mitch Wagner: Hello, everyone. [16:54] Poid Mahovlich: how do I split a linden ? [16:54] Scope Cleaver waves [16:54] Poid Mahovlich: *looks at Persis [16:54] dinee Ghia giggles at Mitch [16:54] Ronnie Rhode: Hi Miatch :) [16:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [16:55] You: Sougent! Great to see you again! [16:55] Mitch Wagner: Hi, Ronnie! [16:55] Ronnie Rhode: Mitch :) [16:55] You: Nice afro! [16:55] Rissa Maidstone grins. [16:55] Malburns Writer: Hi Sougent [16:55] Pooky Amsterdam: head & tails at the same time? [16:55] beladona Memorial: hello everyone [16:55] You: Csven, welcome. [16:55] Surfdaddy Orca is Online [16:55] Calico Ingmann is Online [16:55] You: Welcome Beladona! [16:55] Ronnie Rhode: Hi bela ;) [16:55] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [16:55] Csven Concord: ty, Rissa. [16:56] You: Ok, back to bot and vids...once everything is set and I'm sure it's running, I can pay more attention here. [16:56] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eric Reuters (8m) [16:56] Tara Yeats waves at Sougent [16:57] Leinad Meriman is Offline [16:57] Alanagh Recreant: thanks LifeFactory, you do too now...since you found a good pose on the chair and is no longer caught up in the upholstery [16:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (16m) [16:57] Alanagh Recreant: hehehe [16:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m), Cathrin Laville (15m) [16:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ellie Brewster (7m) [16:57] Tpenta Vanalten is Online [16:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [16:58] LifeFactory Writer: WEll, I cannot stop slouching...and I only have four animations available to me...none having to do with good posture or poise :/ [16:58] Sougent Harrop: Hey Mal and Tara... [16:58] Ellie Brewster: Jeez, SL is so borked tonight [16:58] Pooky Amsterdam is Offline [16:58] Ellie Brewster: Are we using voice? [16:58] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m), Cathrin Laville (15m), Rachelle Munro (15m) [16:58] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m), Ronnie Rhode (8m) [16:58] Starr Sonic is Online [16:59] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (7m) [16:59] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Cathrin Laville (15m) [16:59] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [16:59] You: and silence descends! [16:59] You: I think they're close. [16:59] You: How many have been in Lively? [16:59] Ellie Brewster: not open for Macs. [16:59] Chase Marellan raises his hand [16:59] Sougent Harrop was long enough to reserve his name(s) [16:59] Beithe Mills: that group does not exist "according to wonderful SL search anyhoo [17:00] Alanagh Recreant raises a hand... (have a room there - MeerKatje Gets Out) [17:00] Tara Yeats: um, 6 or 7 of us in the W2W peanut gallery [17:00] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:00] You: laugh! [17:00] BabyBoo Glitterbuck is Offline [17:00] Mitch Wagner: Sougent with that hair you look like a lack private dick who' a sex machine to all the chicks. [17:00] Mitch Wagner: black* [17:00] You: We wanted this to be fairly casual, thus in here instead of the amphitheatre. [17:00] Tara Yeats: *snort!* Mitch [17:00] Sougent Harrop: lol [17:00] John Zhaoying: About to go live. People listening to the SL music stream instead of the video will be lagged. [17:01] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eric Reuters (8m) [17:01] Alanagh Recreant: we can do informal Rissa :) [17:01] Alanagh Recreant: casual and all that [17:01] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (7m) [17:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: beladona Memorial (12m) [17:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:02] Spider Mycron is Online [17:02] Jeffronius Batra is Offline [17:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (6m), Scope Cleaver (8m), lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [17:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (7m) [17:02] Starr Sonic is Offline [17:03] RobinG2 Proto is Offline [17:03] Mazz Klata is Offline [17:03] Tara5 Oh: shoul I be seeing the video? [17:03] beladona Memorial fidgets [17:03] Tab Scott is Online [17:03] Mitch Wagner: Heidi Ballinger is trying to get in but the sim is full. Is there an overflow room? [17:03] Smerk Gorilla is Offline [17:03] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:03] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (6m) [17:03] LifeFactory Writer: I hear the male speaker....speaking of CMP and Life 2.0 summit. [17:03] Tara5 Oh: maybe being in Lively at the same time is sucking up my bandwidth [17:03] Heidi Ballinger: Im here Mitch, thank you :) [17:03] LifeFactory Writer: and I hear music...I am not sure where that is coming from. [17:03] You: Ok, audio is up [17:03] Gwen Carillon is Offline [17:03] You: or not [17:03] Sougent Harrop: There's only 39 in the sim..... [17:03] Mitch Wagner: Oh, hi, Heidi - great - you made it. [17:03] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (6m) [17:04] Scope Cleaver: Audio stream is up yes [17:04] beladona Memorial: can hear it [17:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Fizz Okame (7m) [17:04] Beithe Mills: Yay! [17:04] You: oh good [17:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:04] ::: W2WGabriel: I'm at W@W website only this text box works [17:04] Malburns Writer: k - have ustream on website fine [17:04] Fizz Okame: hey poid [17:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (16m) [17:04] Ronnie Rhode: / the video feed in here is giving me a presentatino [17:04] Ronnie Rhode: presentation [17:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:04] Dizzy Banjo: id call it alpha [17:04] beladona Memorial: turn off video [17:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:04] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:05] Sophrosyne Stenvaag is Offline [17:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m) [17:05] Ronnie Rhode: / thanks, someone said to use video instead, but audio is working [17:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:05] beladona Memorial: no video? that sucks [17:05] Geo Meek: is there a video stream on the net and do you have a URL? [17:05] Scope Cleaver: /claps [17:05] Eric Reuters: hi :) [17:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (16m) [17:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m) [17:06] Dizzy Banjo is fiddling with iphone 2.0 now :D [17:06] Geo Meek: is there a video stream on the net and do you have a URL? [17:06] Robin Mochi: should i be hearing or seeing something other than "what you are seeing is not a game over and over? [17:07] Mitch Wagner: Be sure to wash your hands afterwards, Dizzy. [17:07] Ronnie Rhode: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/livelytm [17:07] Ronnie Rhode: to watch [17:07] Beithe Mills: shut off video, turn on audio [17:07] Beithe Mills: or that, hehe [17:07] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:07] Robin Mochi: thanks! [17:07] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:07] Tara5 Oh: Robin that is my question too? [17:08] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:08] Robin Mochi: yes, turn off the video and only use audio. I guess there is no video...? [17:08] You: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/livelytm [17:08] Alanagh Recreant: there is no video in SL [17:08] Robin Mochi: hm, so why are we here? [17:08] You: We can't stream the video into SL due to the QT thing. [17:08] Robin Mochi: I see [17:09] You: Well, all the speakers are here in SL with us. [17:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:09] Robin Mochi: ok, thanks [17:09] You: You can ask questons here, and they're being relayed as much as we can. [17:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m) [17:09] You: Also, after the audio, we can ask questions here and chat in general. [17:09] You: Share opinions, network a bit. [17:09] Robin Mochi: ok, that's good too [17:09] Rissa Maidstone smiles at you. [17:09] beladona Memorial: but this kind of problem is PRECISELY what limits the application of SL or Lively for business [17:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:10] You: And, we can have our backchat here that makes such a differnece. [17:10] You: And a very good point to bring up. [17:10] Tab Scott is Offline [17:10] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: beladona Memorial (12m) [17:10] Mazz Klata is Online [17:10] Alanagh Recreant: beladona, I think Chatbridge makes a big difference... [17:10] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:10] You: ah true [17:11] beladona Memorial: it is lagging badly [17:11] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: DocL Brandenburg (7m) [17:11] Andrew Hughes is Offline [17:11] Beithe Mills: No lag here for me [17:11] Geo Meek: /:-) [17:11] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:11] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (9m) [17:11] Tara Yeats: yes, lag in Lively while also in SL is severe [17:12] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:12] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Cathrin Laville (15m) [17:12] LifeFactory Writer: I have no lag in either. [17:12] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:12] beladona Memorial: the chat bridge for me was hanging up [17:12] Nber Medici is Online [17:12] Heidi Ballinger: It work just perfectly here [17:12] Spider Mycron is Offline [17:12] Dizzy Banjo: But.. do people think of the "phone" in terms of traffic.. or "google docs" in terms of traffic ? [17:12] Tara5 Oh: Question for the Panelists: Mitch Kapor suggested we should look at virtual worlds fromfrom the perspective of their potential to be innovative disruptive tecnnologies that can improve the human condtion what does Lively offer in this respect? How does it compare with what Second Life has brought to the table in this respect? [17:12] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (9m) [17:12] Malburns Writer: yes - my comment in textbridge dod not come through here [17:13] beladona Memorial waves to W2Wfineman [17:13] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:13] NTropy Sellers is Online [17:13] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (9m) [17:13] Sougent Harrop: Lively was....anticlimactic... [17:13] beladona Memorial: it was cute and very difficult to get to update [17:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:14] Csven Concord: Access via web portal is arguably backwards. [17:14] Scarlett Qi is Offline [17:14] CeAire Decosta: I logged into Lively for about 5 minutes and quit. It has a LONG way to go. [17:14] Csven Concord: I can access the web via my CAD application; 3D first. [17:14] Sougent Harrop: Glorified chat, have no interest in imbedding that stuff into a regular web page [17:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:14] LifeFactory Writer: A few people who have come in and out of my house today, and who have watched with interest as I became involved in SL, but who said they would never take the time to invest in really learning SL, were quite excited about Lively due to how easily accessible it is. [17:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Paradox Olbers (8m) [17:14] beladona Memorial: more likely to be able to use it at work [17:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:15] Beithe Mills: That is the biggest thing, Life, even if it not great, it is very easy to access it, that often is the defining thing for any new technology [17:15] CeAire Decosta: Agreed. [17:15] Csven Concord: "Large download"? 30Mb compared to a game demo larger than 1Gb? That argument is getting old. [17:15] Tara5 Oh: 2nd question for panelists: How does Lively compare to Vivaty which is also embeddable and uses open standards? [17:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Nazz Lane (16m) [17:15] Robin Mochi: that would be great if it worked as well as SL and had that kind of content and worked on a mac computer. Maybe those who have never been in SL would be more interested...but if you've already used SL it's tough to compare with Lively , at least at the moment.. [17:15] Heidi Ballinger: I don't see any connection between Lively and Second Life.. Lively is a great place, but for 3D chat, not a world as Second Life with possibilities [17:15] Dizzy Banjo: yes it is Csven [17:15] Csven Concord: 30Mb = 4-5 decent mp3's. [17:16] Dizzy Banjo: i agree Csven [17:16] Fizz Okame: that will be remedied in time [17:16] Polaris Grayson: Have to remember SL had wire framed avatars when it started.... this is a very good beginning to be put thru the gateway [17:16] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [17:16] You: getting questions to panelists now too... [17:16] Fizz Okame: it is just early. [17:16] Beithe Mills: True, 30MB is a small download for any application [17:16] Alanagh Recreant: I think the possible application in developing countries may be affected by the lack of LINUX but ultimately, it opens up HUGE potential... [17:16] Fizz Okame: what about Vivaty? has anyone looked at that? [17:16] CeAire Decosta: Yup, it's still on the drawing boards! [17:16] beladona Memorial: and SL was excruciatingly painful on a dial up [17:16] You: Please IM questions to me in case the panel doesn't see them here. [17:17] Beithe Mills: openoffice runs about 600MB [17:17] You: Tara I'm trying to capture yours now [17:17] Fizz Okame: the avies are much better, have full facial animation, much better and closer to sl [17:17] Tara5 Oh: yes it is Open Beta now embeddable in facebook and aim [17:17] Csven Concord: 3D CAD on Mac is essentially non-existent. [17:17] beladona Memorial shrugs -- it was a matter of progress tho! SL looked rather cartoony way back then -- I was here! Didn't stay either [17:17] Dizzy Banjo: im not sure creatives are googles desired market at all [17:17] Malburns Writer: still on win only though [17:17] Fizz Okame: they will get stuff into mac, firefox, everything, and get all the anims for sits, expressions, etc., in there [17:17] Tara5 Oh: much better looking than Lively - openstandards I think but noooo Google [17:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:18] Jessica Qin is Offline [17:18] Alanagh Recreant: I agree Dizzy! [17:18] Csven Concord: (I guess "creatives" are all 2D) [17:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [17:18] Fizz Okame: why nooooo google? maybe better? [17:18] Gwen Carillon is Online [17:18] Dizzy Banjo: im not sure this is relevant [17:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:18] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:18] Geo Meek: please tell us [17:18] Debs Regent: Vista made WIndows unpopular [17:18] beladona Memorial gets out her salt shaker [17:19] Tara5 Oh: Yes I am on a loaner windoze laptop!! [17:19] You: DocL? please shut your mike. [17:19] Gina Bachem is Offline [17:19] You: well I'll turn voice off here :) for now [17:19] Tara5 Oh: But it is a 20% project isn't it? [17:19] Voice not available at your current location [17:19] Geo Meek: mute them [17:19] Ronnie Rhode: / And isn't it always true that the first competitor to join the market serves to expand the market? [17:19] Tara5 Oh: one googler's dream [17:19] You: there we go [17:19] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:19] Csven Concord: Lively is like SketchUp early on. [17:19] Sougent Harrop: Google will never kill SL with Lively.. [17:19] Dizzy Banjo: yes .. seeing as i cant get past "joining room..." id say its alpha [17:19] Csven Concord: People laughed at SketchUp. [17:19] Tara5 Oh: not a big top down move from google [17:20] Poid Mahovlich: ditto Dizzy [17:20] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m), Geo Meek (9m) [17:20] Poid Mahovlich: I can not get in [17:20] CeAire Decosta: Lively - isn't. [17:20] Beithe Mills: Nt very soon they will not [17:20] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:20] You: If you have questions for panelists, please IM me with them :) [17:20] Debs Regent: Isn't Lively the prototype with voice etc intended to be built in later? [17:20] CeAire Decosta: Why?! [17:21] beladona Memorial: some of that is due to the immersive quality of the SL experience [17:21] Sougent Harrop: I do SL, Twitter, Plurk, google reader.....all at the same time [17:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (9m) [17:21] CeAire Decosta: Why? [17:21] Robin Mochi: yes, SL is very engaging...of course there are many inworld tools one can use in SL...very easy to send tweets from there, facebook posts, etc. [17:21] Csven Concord: Much of is bc there's no built in 2D browser. [17:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:21] Dizzy Banjo: SL is a creative, fully immersive, seperate virtual experience.. that is not what google lively is about at all.. its a thin, lightweight, relatively non immersive concept [17:21] LifeFactory Writer: Yes, I typically have three or four apps at once too. [17:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:21] Heidi Ballinger: No, there is no connection between those 2 worlds. But what about "Twinverse" (which is also powered by Google) - is that a world they tend to developing)? or who is behind it [17:22] Mazz Klata is Offline [17:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:22] beladona Memorial: now that might be the niche for lively -- something you can do without paying ALL of your attention to it? [17:22] Alanagh Recreant: Dizzy, again... I think the application of Lively is linked to a different target market! [17:22] Paradox Olbers: y, i'm fully immersed in SL and running six browsers, etc at same time [17:22] Robin Mochi: yes, it's very easy to do that from Second life...to intereact with the outside world... [17:22] Csven Concord: Because the audience is still wondering what the "game" is. [17:22] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:22] beladona Memorial: someone said it was 3-D chat [17:23] Alanagh Recreant: we are indeed talking mass market.... and if I just think of all the people here in Africa using GMAIL... from internet caffees and from work... and at school... [17:23] CeAire Decosta: Esp. with negative media coverage that travels much faster and louder than the good stuff that's being done in SL. [17:23] Alanagh Recreant: there is potential [17:23] Beithe Mills: i wouldn't call the learning curve intense........it is not like learning photoshop, sheesh [17:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m), CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:23] Robin Mochi: it's a matter of cost/benefit...yes, a different audience most likely to start... [17:23] Robin Mochi: once it develops further the SL people may be more interested [17:23] beladona Memorial: I have found that we forget how much it took to learn once we have become acclimated [17:23] Csven Concord: Google will mine Lively convo's just like they mine email and put ads on the page based on what is being discussed. [17:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:23] Gina Bachem is Online [17:23] Beithe Mills: push W and walk forward, anyone who has played most basic internet games would figure it out easily [17:23] Ronnie Rhode: / Interestingly Lively looks a whole lot like a very early Linden Lab world they had online maybe six years ago. [17:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [17:23] Sophrosyne Stenvaag is Online [17:24] beladona Memorial: precisely Ronnie [17:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:24] CeAire Decosta: whoopie, so I get targed advertising. I prefer none! [17:24] Dizzy Banjo: Beithe, even getting to that point, in terms of immersive ability, is way beyond most internet users [17:24] Geo Meek: /cost/benefit is where sl well find its why [17:24] Dizzy Banjo: there isnt necessarily the desire amongst the general public to want to immerse [17:25] Dizzy Banjo: many people would prefer the 3d internet to be an virtual overlay over reality [17:25] Geo Meek: cost/benefit [17:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Nazz Lane (16m) [17:25] Fizz Okame: people didnt want to get on a pc at first, either.... [17:25] CeAire Decosta: Then what are they looking for Dizzy? [17:25] Beithe Mills: True, but SL is no worse than any other virtual world would be in terms of getting around. [17:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:25] Alanagh Recreant: Is it a virtual world? [17:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:25] Csven Concord: "exactly SL"? Not even close. [17:25] Dizzy Banjo: yeah i agree beithe [17:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:25] Heidi Ballinger: Lively will have success, no doubt about that But it looks more like a teen world, like IMVU, a 3D chat. Not make for business, developing, exploring, education, voicetalk, meetings, and serious [17:26] Csven Concord: Success? Like Google Answers? [17:26] Sougent Harrop: Must be just me, but I don't want to chat with other people when I'm on a web sit. [17:26] Beithe Mills: a few buttons to move, then some button, file or some such as an LM or TP marker [17:26] You: agreed, but it's VERY early days--well financed company. [17:26] Dizzy Banjo: i think lively might be a phone app [17:26] CeAire Decosta: Remember 10-20 years ago none of this existed. Look where we are today! [17:26] Geo Meek: Ad net indeed [17:26] Fizz Okame: these spaces aim to make teh entire web an sl... [17:26] Alanagh Recreant: Heidi, I agree there... I think if there are possibilities to use it for those purposes, it will attract a bigger audience [17:26] Fizz Okame: it is a matter of time, honestly, and you fool yourself if you dont see that [17:26] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (16m) [17:26] beladona Memorial remembers having to pay to TP [17:26] Dizzy Banjo: its a thin virtual overlay in your pocket [17:26] Malburns Writer: Weblins give avatar presence and comms without the sim - sl adds the sims. lively seems like a distraction with a fake sim [17:26] Arika Baroque is Online [17:26] Csven Concord: A branded room with what level of privacy? [17:27] Beithe Mills: I agree for the most part Sougent, but there would be useful things, you can ask others about products on a site, or chat live about a story [17:27] Fizz Okame: as computer become more powerful, it will change... [17:27] Alanagh Recreant: it is a 3D chat room [17:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: beladona Memorial (12m) [17:27] Alanagh Recreant: imo [17:27] Sougent Harrop: Lively is a fancy IRC chat room [17:27] Geo Meek: can you hold on just a sec i need to get something [17:27] Fizz Okame: but it can become a full MMOG and virtual worlds, too.. [17:27] Robin Mochi: yes, it's currently a 3d chat room... [17:27] Sougent Harrop: If chat was all that was in SL, I wouldn't be here. [17:27] Scope Cleaver laughs [17:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:27] Tara5 Oh: There are more than that I think! [17:27] LifeFactory Writer: I do not spend much time just hanging out and chatting even in SL...but if I were going too, I would certainly prefer SL to Lively as an environment in which to do that, [17:27] Sophrosyne Stenvaag is Offline [17:27] Robin Mochi: that's because many of us have mac computers! we can't get in. [17:27] Beithe Mills: many would not be Sougent, hehe [17:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:28] Csven Concord: Youtube? [17:28] Scope Cleaver: They're working on the mac problem right? [17:28] Paradox Olbers: 40 avs here in SL right now :) [17:28] Heidi Ballinger: But no-one who can tell about Twinverse (Yet another virtual world powered by Google)? [17:28] Csven Concord: The sucking sound is the cost of running Youtube. [17:28] CeAire Decosta sighs. It seems the whole world revolves around advertising. Why? [17:28] Corwin Carillon is Online [17:29] Mazz Klata is Online [17:29] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:29] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:29] Geo Meek: ok im back [17:29] Csven Concord: (meanwhile, will it turn out that Youtube employees were involved in the content?) [17:29] Tara5 Oh: Lots of griefers in Lively!!!!! [17:29] Mitch Wagner: CeAire, it's the only way people have figured out how to make money by ceating Internet content. [17:29] Tara5 Oh: beefers rather [17:29] Smerk Gorilla is Online [17:29] Debs Regent: yes, Viral marketing.. advertising.. conspiricy theories used to market Sony games for example? [17:29] Tara5 Oh: they come into your room and use unlisted animations [17:29] LifeFactory Writer: Ok, I can stand in both Lively rooms and this SL room at once. [17:29] Malburns Writer: if it is not yet cross-platform that's not good to do (embed) [17:29] Sougent Harrop: I read an article about Lively saying it's only just going to be PG.....so who are they aiming for? Kids? [17:29] Geo Meek: Good point [17:30] Alanagh Recreant: indeed LifeFactory [17:30] Robin Mochi: but I love YouTube...and google, and Lively is just way too soon to tell...and maybe it will develop nicely...maybe they are shooting for the billions of people who have never even heard of virtual worlds... [17:30] Fizz Okame: over time this avie will be able to walk in an out of the lively or vivaty room, thats the goal [17:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m), beladona Memorial (12m) [17:30] Dizzy Banjo: Second Life, is so far ahead of any other fully immersive streaming world architecture. Its not just that either, its created a genuine new form of media. Practically most of the other worlds are more like slightly immersive 3d chatrooms [17:30] Chimera Cosmos is Online [17:30] Dizzy Banjo: one thing thats important here, is people constantly go around comparing SL to non streaming architectures [17:30] Fizz Okame: but wasnt that what SL was at first, too? it evolves [17:30] Heidi Ballinger: Dizzy, I agree!!! [17:30] Nber Medici is Offline [17:30] Dizzy Banjo: its just a ridiculous comparison [17:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:31] Poid Mahovlich: I agree [17:31] Dizzy Banjo: they are totally different beasts [17:31] Fizz Okame: i dont [17:31] Beithe Mills: There was the only other one i saw that was interesting, except the concept of building/ownership......"to build, find something similar to what You want to make, copy it and modify it" [17:31] CeAire Decosta: I'm not watching TV right now or reading magazines because I don't want to waste my time with a 60 minute program where 40 minutes seem to be commercials and the weight of magazines would be half if there were fewer ads for medicines with 5 pages of fine print disclaimers for medical conditions I've never heard of! [17:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:31] Alanagh Recreant: I dont think there can be a decent comparison... [17:31] Scope Cleaver: It's just that people would so love to have an Sl replacement Dizzy [17:31] Fizz Okame: there is a real concern that the entire world ww will become and sl.... [17:31] Kevni Koolhoven is Offline [17:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:31] Beyers Sellers is Online [17:31] Fizz Okame: and it will..... it depends how SL will adapt to the new reality [17:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:31] Beithe Mills: CeAire, that is why i have Tivo, hehe, watch an hour show in 30 minutes [17:31] Fizz Okame: The sooner it is embraced, the better [17:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m), Geo Meek (9m) [17:31] Malburns Writer: everything google is about monopolising on the "web" - metaverse/grid is a parallel internet that will one day incorporate web not other way round [17:32] CeAire Decosta: I don't think they want a replacement for SL - I think they are over anxious for SL to improve to what it will be someday. [17:32] Dizzy Banjo: yeh well i would love to have a better or different alternative to a contiguous fully streaming creation enabled world too Scope.. lol as we all would [17:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:32] CeAire Decosta: Instant gratification! [17:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: beladona Memorial (12m) [17:32] Sougent Harrop: I don't think the entire web will become SL like, but I think SL will interface better with the web so that you can have the resources of the web in here. [17:32] Kevni Koolhoven is Online [17:32] Heidi Ballinger: The media in my country just claimed SL for dead, with a RL priest bury SL with the word “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” – with the sound of church bells. Compared to Facebook and Lively - This is just made of a journalist not knowing anything. Tjose things can't be compared. So different [17:32] Geo Meek: please send me a know when you find out how to use sl [17:32] Fizz Okame: its not whether you want it, it is the fact that the future will be a full 3d web [17:32] Geo Meek: =note [17:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m), Geo Meek (9m) [17:32] FWord Utorid is Offline [17:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m), Mitch Wagner (16m) [17:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ronnie Rhode (8m), CeAire Decosta (13m), Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:33] Orb Offcourse is Offline [17:33] Csven Concord: huh? [17:33] Beithe Mills: SL is not really web 2.0, i would say it is something different [17:33] Malburns Writer: cisco,sun,ibm etc - all have sizable R&D budgets - long-term planning [17:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [17:33] Csven Concord: Cisco only cares about facilating bandwidth consumption. [17:33] Geo Meek: sl works best one on one [17:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (9m) [17:33] Razzi Rockett is Offline [17:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:34] Fizz Okame: that is why getting this stuff in the hands of urls is so great [17:34] Sougent Harrop: Why should the web become 3d? A great deal of the information on it isn't presented best in 3D. [17:34] Mitch Wagner is Offline [17:34] Fizz Okame: why shouldnt it become 3d? [17:34] Csven Concord: Web 3D - like RL - includes 2D elements. [17:34] LifeFactory Writer: There was something on the NWN blog this week about recent stats comparing SL to YouTube and Facebook. I do not recall the metrics used, but do recall that SL is doing astonishingly well in comparison to those two. [17:34] Beithe Mills: True Sougent, but the navigation of it will become 3d [17:34] Razzi Rockett is Online [17:34] Robin Mochi: maybe these new 3D technologies will push SL to be even better...geo meek, one on one? SL is regularly growing in the field of education. [17:34] Malburns Writer: one article described lively as "google talk becomes cartoon" !!! [17:34] Tara5 Oh: Lively is crashing on me [17:34] Fizz Okame: SL isnt making facebooks money, so that isnt true [17:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:35] LifeFactory Writer: I think it may--may--have been that SL is in the top three of most frequented social netwroking sites. [17:35] Tara5 Oh: are there too many people in the room? [17:35] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [17:35] Seth Ock is Online [17:35] lufpleh Obstreperous: web used to be txt & pics now its video, things evolve [17:35] Sougent Harrop: In a way, the web is already 3d, hyperlinks take you in a 3d direction... [17:35] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [17:35] Geo Meek: ya quit blowing your own horn and get to the point [17:35] Dizzy Banjo: i agree sougent [17:35] LifeFactory Writer: Yes, I crashed out of LIvely too, but thought it was because I was in twor rooms at once. [17:35] Sougent Harrop: Video isn't 3d though [17:35] Heidi Ballinger: Sougent - I agree, not all things are good in 3D, like text. You have to use the world with what its best for.... I dont understand all the libaries in here, having big houses, and lots of books with text, to webpages... why not build a book in 3D, why not use these new dimensions? [17:35] Tara5 Oh: my ears are burning! [17:35] You: laugh [17:35] LifeFactory Writer: Who are you talking to, Geo? [17:35] Beithe Mills: not really Sougent, links are more like layers rather than a full dimension [17:36] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [17:36] Malburns Writer APPLAUDS!!! [17:36] Scope Cleaver: Great question! :) [17:36] Malburns Writer: well said [17:36] Geo Meek: i maybe on the wrong stream [17:36] beladona Memorial: lively is a starting point -- the question is what it will become not what it is [17:36] Geo Meek: http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/livelytm [17:36] Sougent Harrop: If you picture hyperllinks in 3D it's a web, hence www [17:36] CeAire Decosta: There are some 3D books but prim limits makes it more practical to send folks out to the Web most times. [17:36] Tara5 Oh: and Second Life? [17:36] Sougent Harrop: Now would visualizing that data on the web as 3D be useful? [17:36] Tara5 Oh: is it potentially disruptive? [17:37] Tara5 Oh: where Lively isn't [17:37] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m) [17:37] Csven Concord: ebooks are 2D [17:37] Dizzy Banjo: SL already is Tara [17:37] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:37] Tara5 Oh: yes potentially it is [17:37] Tara5 Oh: but it hasn't manifested as disruptive yet [17:37] Fizz Okame: it is a nonissue..... of course 2D elements can be in 3D virtual worlds. thats no going away? whats the argument here? [17:37] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:37] Malburns Writer: yes - where is lively's translator? [17:38] Heidi Ballinger: Sougent - maybe companies could build their statistics in 3D, and let people walk around in them, and maybe see new oppertunities... stuff like that I miss [17:38] Alanagh Recreant: I do not think it is disruptive technology either... I think Google Lively could add value in a particular context - especially in terms of access. With SL not being able to attract much interest (at all!!) from the African continent... I am interested to see if Lively does better... [17:38] Dizzy Banjo: i think it has disrupted numerous aspects of my life, so that the previous ways i did them are no longer valid or as good.. id think that probably applies to most people [17:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:38] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (13m) [17:38] Beithe Mills: Teh last Life 2.0 was like that, presenters from Germany, Japan, the US, and UK were all presenting within minutes of eash other, without going near an airport [17:38] Csven Concord: They find out if you're a dog when they track you down, like they tracked down the anonymous editor of a wikipedia entry (to his workplace in Texas ... where he was then fired) [17:38] Sougent Harrop: That is the big use of 3D virtual worlds, showing things that are 3d like cell structure, human anatomy, etc. [17:38] Icy Fredriksson is Online [17:39] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:39] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:39] CeAire Decosta: There is room for both. Lively could actually benefit SL when people want more than what they offer. [17:39] Ronnie Rhode: / It must be disruptive to education and volunteerism [17:39] LifeFactory Writer: haha, Dizzy..SL IS disruptive to those who spend lots of time here. I am not sure how many people in the world are really going to want to embrac virtual worlds over real ones....I receive terrible scorn (although they are interested) that I spend so much time in SL. [17:39] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:39] Geo Meek: This srteam is faster http://www.world2worlds.com/index.php/livelytm [17:39] Beithe Mills: Disruptive in this case means disruption of an earlier technology....in this case the standard web [17:40] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:40] Chimera Cosmos: it's not over till it's over :-) [17:40] Ronnie Rhode: / Education and volunteerism to me is where it's most disruptive [17:40] Csven Concord: Nobody I know said SL was going to "sweep the world". [17:40] CeAire Decosta: I understand where you are coming from LifeFactory! [17:40] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m), Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:40] Csven Concord: Shirky got a LOT of stuff wrong. [17:40] Robin Mochi: that is old data... [17:40] Geo Meek: shoot the nay sayer [17:40] Csven Concord: Go read Terra Nova. [17:40] Malburns Writer: you need a decent timeswcale before passing judgement like that - SL is only 5 years old [17:40] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m), lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [17:40] Eleonora Porta is Online [17:40] Robin Mochi: shirky data at the time was correct, but things have changed... [17:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (6m), CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:41] Pooky Amsterdam is Online [17:41] CeAire Decosta: LOL!! [17:41] Csven Concord: Shirky only said what a lot of SL bloggers were already saying. But then he still got it wrong. [17:41] AureA Memotech: hi [17:41] Geo Meek: the net is only 5000 days old [17:41] Robin Mochi: there is a lot of development in the area of education... [17:41] Paradox Olbers is Offline [17:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eleonora Porta (15m) [17:41] LifeFactory Writer: I may not have been as articulate as I should have been. [17:41] Beithe Mills: Older than that Geo [17:41] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:41] Seth Ock is Offline [17:41] Malburns Writer: avatar plis sim = future of communications - SL itself or not [17:41] Geo Meek: ok just a few days [17:42] Lysander Lemuria is Online [17:42] Ronnie Rhode: / Education and training, it's great for that. And volunteerism, I get to volunteer for organizations that I wouldn't be able to in RL because of geography. [17:42] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:42] Robin Mochi: yes, ronnie. And that kind of thing is still just being realized in SL... [17:42] Ronnie Rhode: / Yes, I love love that, that's why I'm here :) [17:43] Robin Mochi: me too! [17:43] Malburns Writer: absolutely Rhonda [17:43] Geo Meek: :-) yes gas is free here [17:43] Sougent Harrop: The element of communicating "in person" with someone on the other side of the globe, that's a huge advantage [17:43] Beithe Mills: until some yahoo copies it with the new copybot...... [17:43] Malburns Writer: and also rl environment benefits are strongest arguement [17:43] Robin Mochi: yes, the world is flat... [17:43] Ronnie Rhode: / I have a store that sells things that benefit a RL nonprofit. I couldn't really raise funds for them in RL. [17:43] Robin Mochi: and the gas situation in the US on top of everything else..that is helping to drive the growth in education in SL... [17:43] Ronnie Rhode: True :) [17:44] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [17:44] You: Agree with Rhonda [17:44] Tara5 Oh: How will business models based on virtual content work in an open metaverse Grace? [17:44] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:44] CeAire Decosta: I think it will continue to do so Robin. [17:44] Malburns Writer: "collapsing geography" as Cory says [17:44] Heidi Ballinger: It seems like the media has taking Lively as the new "HYPE"... not looking at the mistake they did last time... Im so sicj and tired of the media, writing wrong stories. Like the one I told you about, claiming SL for death, made by "experts" (and the experts was aph.d. student within virtusl reality, not virtual world), but such thing goes on for days, Big sigh [17:44] Tara5 Oh: Rhonda? [17:44] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m) [17:44] Pooky Amsterdam is Offline [17:44] CeAire Decosta: Agreed Heidi! [17:44] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m) [17:44] Pooky Amsterdam is Online [17:44] Csven Concord: haha "that is a good point" [17:44] Csven Concord: No sh*t [17:44] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:44] Heidi Ballinger: hehe [17:44] JenzZa Misfit: Dizzy !! woot ! [17:45] Dizzy Banjo: hey JenzZ [17:45] Tara5 Oh: is the recording going to be posted on the web ??? [17:45] Tara Yeats: Heidi - the media lives on hype... and the masses soak it up [17:45] Chase Marellan is Offline [17:45] Beithe Mills: That is why i ws logged into There only once, and stay in SL, what i build is mine.....barring theft of course [17:45] You: Rhonda Lowery from Turner Broadcasting [17:45] Geo Meek: ask IBM [17:45] You: That's the woman who's speaking. [17:45] You: or was. [17:45] Beyers Sellers is Offline [17:45] CeAire Decosta: I love that I can communicate in real time with people all over the world who otherwise I would never know or meet. SL is an immersive environment that if you don't try it, you can't judge it. [17:45] Malburns Writer: Hi JenzZa [17:46] Geo Meek: hehe [17:46] Heidi Ballinger: Tara, I hope some more people will back up on this nonsens, which is breaking my heart: http://heidiballinger.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/should-we-just-accept-it-or-do-something-wrong-media-publicity-about-second-life/ [17:46] Csven Concord: *silence* [17:46] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:46] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:46] JenzZa Misfit: ......avatars in SL are " alive " ...... characters in Lively are .............well ............not [17:46] Beithe Mills: Exactly, i work with people from all over europe regularly.......daily even, never met them otherwise [17:46] Dizzy Banjo: a real question.. lol [17:46] Tara5 Oh: sex room!!! [17:46] Malburns Writer: sex always comes first - lol - the pioneers! [17:46] ::: W2WFleep: I think for me it's not just about communicating, it's still the shared _experience_, not just words, but sounds, visuals, sense of being there. [17:46] Tara5 Oh: sex rooms everywhere [17:46] Malburns Writer: Hiya Fleep [17:46] Tara5 Oh: and "beefers" who jump you [17:46] JenzZa Misfit: and NO age seperation [17:46] Geo Meek: i have him in voice [17:46] Tara5 Oh: nope [17:47] CeAire Decosta: LOL! [17:47] Tara5 Oh: I've crashed in Lively [17:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:47] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Geo Meek (13m) [17:47] LifeFactory Writer: I cannot think of any reason why I should NOT go ahead and set up a Lively room and stream into it the film I produced and opened in SL. In that sense, Lively is another outlet for me to showcase what I have made....like youtube and blip. I see all of these sites as satellites emanating out from the productive center of what I wish to do, and which is based in SL. [17:47] Robin Mochi: I think it's all good...the one will feed the other, etc...my college daughter who doesn't want to take the time to learn SL, and just hangs out in facebook will maybe eventually consider Lively, but those who do consider Lively and eventually want to move to a more sophisticated VW willl eventually move on to SL and the other real VWs that will come along. And SL will have to get better all the time because of this. [17:47] Sougent Harrop: It may be that this new 3D web everyone is expecting will have layers, for those who don't want to get to deep, Lively will be enough, but those that want a deeper experience will go more toward SL Like worlds [17:47] Csven Concord: But will Lively survive the wave that people thought would kill SL: aggressive marketing. [17:47] Dizzy Banjo: i think this reveals something.. its the creatives, people who use the technology, are the people who will define its success. This is why SL is so unique. [17:47] Gina Bachem is Offline [17:48] Scope Cleaver: Well some have done etnographic studies here.. so there is something resembling a culture surely [17:48] Heidi Ballinger: slow down - *freeze the room* [17:48] JenzZa Misfit: ...or .... pogo.com " play silly games and text chat " culture ( they now have tiny static avatars they can buy clothes for ) [17:48] Geo Meek: i sucks [17:48] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:48] JenzZa Misfit: ..and I know people who are STILL sittting there for 5 years now ...... *cringe* [17:48] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:48] JenzZa Misfit: ..under the B ....15 ! <-- bingo game [17:48] Csven Concord: LIvely culture = Google homepage [17:48] Rissa Maidstone glances around. [17:48] Sougent Harrop: Lively isn't a place, SL is a place. [17:49] CeAire Decosta: We keep getting mad at Linden Labs. They are the gods of SL - but in some respects they are learning just like we are. No one expected this to become what it has become! [17:49] LifeFactory Writer: I cannot imagine myself just hanging out in Lively though...exactly what the speaker says..I would go there and chat, but only on behalf of the film. I would come to SL to have fun! SL is both a tool and a lifestyle....Lively may just be a tool. [17:49] Alanagh Recreant: I have been frustrated with not being able to create content in Lively, but there is the ACCESS issue which makes a big difference and I can imagine it easier to get fellow NGOs, educationalists and even clients from communities to engage in Lively... more difficult to do that with SL atm... [17:49] JenzZa Misfit: exactly Sougent ...there you go :) [17:49] Dizzy Banjo: i think the "second life" concept disappeared around mid 2006 [17:49] JenzZa Misfit: SL is a place ... Lively is a space [17:49] Robin Mochi: but Lively will probably change and evolve, with sketch up and google earth being incorporated, etc. correct? It won't remain what it is currently, correct? [17:49] LifeFactory Writer: I dont' get mad at Linden Labs. [17:49] Tara Yeats: SL has a unique advantage: it's built on a somewhat older demographic - we're people who connect and stay connected instead of flitting from fad to fad [17:49] Heidi Ballinger: but why does the media compare Sl with Lively?.... I.... irl we don't compare milk with water [17:49] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:49] Fizz Okame: Sl has a community, vs. separate rooms with friends [17:49] Eleonora Porta accepted your inventory offer. [17:49] Malburns Writer: agreed tara [17:49] CeAire Decosta: You get even - right?!! [17:49] AureA Memotech: you right heidiç [17:50] Robin Mochi: good point, Tara. [17:50] Csven Concord: (sounds like someone has been cybering in SL) [17:50] CeAire Decosta: Very good point Heidi. [17:50] Sougent Harrop: That's the question, will Lively be merged with Google Earth, Sketch-up, that sort of thing? If it does, then it's a new ballgame [17:50] JenzZa Misfit: ..I think we all should just take turns parking at Lively to send good people to SL ! lol Concierges ! [17:50] LifeFactory Writer: adolescences lasts until 35 these days :) [17:50] AureA Memotech: are you looking for the differences? [17:50] Robin Mochi: yes, fizz, that's a big difference as well. [17:50] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:50] CeAire Decosta: LOL JenzZa! [17:50] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:50] Tara Yeats: LOL Jenzza - I know a coupla folks who have built Lively rooms to direct folks to SL! [17:51] Alanagh Recreant: Robin... we have initiatives that bring overlays to Google Earth directly linked to communities in Africa... and linked to Lively over time, we could be talking scale [17:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:51] JenzZa Misfit: Beyers and I did that in the Lively Metanomics room ...lol [17:51] Heidi Ballinger: But no one has answered me on this place is a hidden agenda for Google, the totally new online world, Twinverse, Powered By Google, Published the same time as Lively [17:51] Debs Regent: Tara, I am one of them..hehe [17:51] Csven Concord: I was right "have a second life in Second Life" [17:51] JenzZa Misfit: Tara ... I made " mini Muse Isle " [17:51] JenzZa Misfit: lol [17:51] Robin Mochi: Tara, yes. I can see that happening. [17:51] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: lufpleh Obstreperous (16m) [17:51] JenzZa Misfit: Lively can be embraced as a TOOL for us [17:51] Geo Meek: your not burning real gas [17:51] AureA Memotech: You know? This kind of discussions seems to me like when we did it with e-learning platforms like webct vs blackboard vs moodle, does it have any sense at all? [17:51] Csven Concord: Is this Mitch speaking? [17:51] Beithe Mills: And even talk about, no normal business seminar would talk about sex this "off the cuff" [17:52] Tara5 Oh: John speaking [17:52] JenzZa Misfit: ...um ...its boring ? [17:52] JenzZa Misfit: hello ? [17:52] CeAire Decosta: The stronger survive, the weaker get absorbed/assimilated! [17:52] Dizzy Banjo: agreed [17:52] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:52] Dizzy Banjo: ( with the speaker ) [17:52] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:52] Geo Meek: Livly is a chat page that moves from page to page [17:52] AureA Memotech: I mean.. we will see what's happen...but we'll need standars! [17:52] Malburns Writer: if lively had everything SL had, what would be the purpose of embedding on web pages anyway? [17:52] Dizzy Banjo: infact [17:53] Dizzy Banjo: i dont agree [17:53] Dizzy Banjo: lol [17:53] Geo Meek: good to hear [17:53] JenzZa Misfit: ..yesterday .... me and a 2 friends when land roving in a 1943 Willys Jeep ! across 6 sims ! I was driving ! *WOOT !* I dont see that happening in Lively :) *ever* [17:53] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:53] JenzZa Misfit: went* [17:53] Geo Meek: /:-) [17:53] Heidi Ballinger: I'm glad Lively is in the media.... this can just make some positive articles about SL, if business thought they should use Lively [17:53] Csven Concord: Okay, how did they get onto this topic ... and why? [17:53] AureA Memotech: Is that importan for learning? roving in a 1943 jeep? [17:54] Beithe Mills: You ran over my roses! [17:54] JenzZa Misfit: yes ... people who have rejected SL ... dismissed it .... will get an intro to being an avatar in Lively ... then get bored and come here :) [17:54] CeAire Decosta: I had never heard of the 1943 Willy's until this week! I got a good history lesson! [17:54] JenzZa Misfit: you think SL is just for learning ? [17:54] Dizzy Banjo: a text only world can be seen as being more immersive than a graphical one in some ways, and also it can have utterly no limitations.. so in some ways a lively stripped down experience.. may actually also be a good platform for identity exploration [17:54] JenzZa Misfit: .... my my [17:54] Robin Mochi: but if you've never been in SL, would you care that lively is so inferior in many ways? [17:54] Heidi Ballinger: I spend a few days in Lively - and couldn't use it for my business [17:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:54] JenzZa Misfit: me either, Heidi ...only to direct people to SL [17:54] Robin Mochi: maybe inferior wasn't the correct word, maybe less [17:54] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:54] Tara Yeats: Dizzy - true, and there was a lot of that sort of text community around in the send half of the 90s [17:55] CeAire Decosta: Good point Robin. There would be nothing to compare to unless you had been in WoW. [17:55] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [17:55] JenzZa Misfit: ( which I did actually ... ) [17:55] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:55] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [17:55] Geo Meek: /tell me why thy are leaving? [17:55] Beithe Mills: Coke went to There [17:55] Csven Concord: Coke didn't *go* anywhere. [17:55] Fizz Okame: coke and target went to Vivaty [17:55] Geo Meek: Kids are There [17:55] Robin Mochi: what about all the brands currently coming in to SL??! [17:55] Heidi Ballinger: Plus I also felt claustrophobia because of the bad ways to move around [17:55] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (6m) [17:55] ::: W2WFleep: Except no asynchronous capabilities (yet?) [17:55] JenzZa Misfit: ( sidenote:: do we really care ? if Coke ,etc is here or There or ... anywhere ? ) [17:55] Fizz Okame: couldnt we get few of all the branding here [17:55] Robin Mochi: the education community is growing very rapidly [17:56] Gina Bachem is Online [17:56] Fizz Okame: get rid of some of teh branding here? [17:56] Beithe Mills: companies will go where they can get an audience.....if Lively gets a crowd, then the corps will show [17:56] Geo Meek: yes i do [17:56] CeAire Decosta: If brands don't learn from their mistakes here they won't fare any better elsewhere I think. [17:56] AureA Memotech: JenzZa maybe could be interesting.. [17:56] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Madison Ochcies (16m) [17:56] You: Actually, I do care where the brands are, and how they participate not only in SL but other virtual worlds. [17:56] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [17:56] Ozzy Wozniak: What about Android and other mobile platforms ? [17:56] Tara Yeats: There is overloaded with branding, commercialization & netnanny-ism to be ... cloying [17:56] Tara5 Oh: Why aren't The Sheep in Lively??? [17:56] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:56] Fizz Okame: but virtual worlds like lively and vivaty can embed in website of companies... [17:56] CeAire Decosta: Or maybe they will learn there and come back to SL with more wisdom and experience. [17:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [17:57] Karly Charlton is Online [17:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:57] You: The reason I care is that it gives US an opportunity to provide feedback on their products, to interact with people we normally might now, and... [17:57] Tara5 Oh: what about Vivaty which is Lively with openstandards?? [17:57] Geo Meek: the 30 delay is killing this talk [17:57] LifeFactory Writer: No comparison at all on aesthetics....but agreed pre-teens may appreciate the cartoon quality of Lively. [17:57] Dizzy Banjo: thats a very good point Ozzy, and no one is talking about Lively + Android [17:57] Fizz Okame: they are url embedded..... a co can use the virtual world and put into their personal sites. That is powerful [17:57] Geo Meek: good luck people [17:57] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [17:57] JenzZa Misfit: ... as a reporter I went to the grand openings and as a resident ... I watched them all fade and leave .. the big corps didnt get it ...maybe they will get it ...elsewhere [17:57] You: it's the start of monetizable programs and proof that these platforms can be used in a variety of ways. [17:57] Dizzy Banjo: i think thats the key Ozzy [17:57] Ozzy Wozniak: Location based chat rooms [17:57] Dizzy Banjo: indeed [17:58] Dizzy Banjo: all this stuff, comparing it to SL.. is just a red herring [17:58] Fizz Okame: very true. [17:58] CeAire Decosta: Philosophical question - why are we all here?!! [17:58] Robin Mochi: SL and android and SL with iphones is what will bring SL to the rest of the world...potentially. [17:58] JenzZa Misfit: so ...welcome ............to .............the machine ........ * fade to heartbeat noise * [17:58] Beithe Mills: Lot of teenagers would go for lively graphics as well, very anime/Esurance commercial look to it to me [17:58] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (5m) [17:58] Chimera Cosmos: are the speakers together in RL, or just in Lively? it's not a RL event is it? [17:58] Dizzy Banjo: SL + iPhone is a disaster [17:58] Tara Yeats: agreed, Dizzy - tho I think it does help to focus us on what's unique about SL [17:58] You: It's not an RL event. [17:59] Robin Mochi: dizzy, why do you say that? it's already been done, have you seen it? [17:59] You: PL event that is. [17:59] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m) [17:59] You: grin [17:59] Dizzy Banjo: pushing a fully immersive avatarised experience through a phone is awful.. [17:59] Beithe Mills: it is real time, but not everyone in one room [17:59] Chimera Cosmos: so I'm not missing the video stream of them then -- hehe [17:59] Heidi Ballinger: This debate is so far away from the point, lol - I don't think we can discuss "Second Life or Lively" - This is just so much away from each other. Several leading porfessors in VW say the same. We could just talk from now and to Christmas [17:59] Kate Miranda is Online [17:59] Dizzy Banjo: yeah ive seen it Robin, but I think the trajectory of SL is quite different [17:59] Csven Concord: And people just can't wait to jump into Lively ad spaces. [17:59] Master Quatro: when I can make a living in lively the way I do in SL .. I'll use it [17:59] You: only if you're not watching on the web too--showing the Lively space that many of us are in too. [17:59] Malburns Writer: lively may not be competing with SL as platform, but could it drain investment resources from the metaverse and slow down development? [17:59] JenzZa Misfit: Chim :: I think its SL'ers who are LIvelyers in Lively and SL ! [17:59] CeAire Decosta: I think they should abandon the word "phone". The gadgets out today just have that as one of the features. Not what it was made for! [17:59] Drift Monde is Offline [17:59] JenzZa Misfit: say that fast 4 times :: then take 2 ibuprofin ! [18:00] Robin Mochi: but for some, who will never have a computer with broadband connection...those in the developing world...it's better than nothing, no? [18:00] Dizzy Banjo: yep Robin [18:00] CeAire Decosta: True Robin. [18:00] Tara5 Oh: and what if the application is sex hehe [18:00] Dizzy Banjo: but Lively will be better for them [18:00] LifeFactory Writer: I know how I will use Lively. [18:00] Dizzy Banjo: because its more suitable to that application [18:00] Tara5 Oh: you will watch videos I get [18:00] Csven Concord: It means - suckage [18:00] Drift Monde is Online [18:00] CeAire Decosta: How many logos of Coke do you want to see? [18:00] JenzZa Misfit: ....and when they are all grown up they can come be creative in SL [18:00] Malburns Writer: lol Fleep [18:00] Malburns Writer: but Lindens? [18:01] Tara5 Oh: well they would have to be more creative than that!! [18:01] JenzZa Misfit: hi Malburns ! ( didnt see you ) [18:01] Sougent Harrop: Brands apparently had a brain enfarction when they got into SL [18:01] Chimera Cosmos: right--I've got the Lively room on--but it's kinda tiny :-) [18:01] Mitch Wagner is Online [18:01] Dizzy Banjo: i wonder why they got focused on building islands..... LOL [18:01] Sougent Harrop: They could've been very successful [18:01] Robin Mochi: maybe so, maybe lively will be better for them (those who will never have more than a handheld computer) but maybe SL will be modified to work better than ever on a handheld deveice.. [18:01] JenzZa Misfit: .. the fleecing of SL bye bye for now ESC [18:01] Malburns Writer: hiya Jebnz [18:01] Beithe Mills: People access webpages already, they do not have to load a client, Lively will most likely end up being a casual, short visit thing, SL is more of a place to hang out, they are different things, McDonalds has lousy food compared to Olive Garden, bu tit is fast and is still good, both make a ton of money, but are different restaurants [18:01] LifeFactory Writer: No, I will put my film(s) there as another outlet...I think those producing anything in SL, could use Lively as another outlet to promote what they are doing, along with their blog and the other social network sites. [18:01] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [18:01] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Lori Galli (7m) [18:02] Beithe Mills: Exactly Life, You will be able to catch some people in one some on the other [18:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Nazz Lane (16m) [18:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Lori Galli (7m) [18:02] Rissa Maidstone wonders that many organizations in here have paying partners, and sponsors. How is this different than "fleecing?" [18:02] Beithe Mills: and a few in both [18:02] LifeFactory Writer: Anytime someone in SL showcases their work/products anywhere else on teh web, this will drive more users into SL. [18:02] LifeFactory Writer: Yes, Beithe. Agree. [18:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m), Persis Trilling (5m) [18:02] You: I think it's called monetization, actually. [18:02] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m), Hawc Decosta (14m), Mitch Wagner (15m) [18:02] Csven Concord: Jaffe Juice? [18:02] Chimera Cosmos: Dizzy--I never got into text-based rooms-just couldn't--but SL is totally fascinating for a visual person [18:03] Beithe Mills: exactly, i have gotten a lot of people interested in SL from showing a flickr page..... [18:03] LifeFactory Writer: It is differnt with films though, as those are one of the few SL products that can be exported out of SecondLife. [18:03] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m), Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:03] JenzZa Misfit: because ESC did not deliver to their clients OR to the community I feel ...... I was part of some of that ... the community who tried to be involved [18:03] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m), Persis Trilling (5m) [18:03] Tara5 Oh: but why aren't ESC in Lively? [18:03] JenzZa Misfit: ....they are off building a porn grid I was told <---- could just be hearsay ! [18:03] You: MOU and Rivers Run Red are a few of the initial developers, that I've heard of so far. [18:04] You: sigh [18:04] Dizzy Banjo: they probably realise they cant get people to buy an island and pay them loads to build a huge empty corp headquarters Tara :P [18:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:04] Tara5 Oh: jenza!! [18:04] Dizzy Banjo: lol [18:04] JenzZa Misfit: with the SexGen dude [18:04] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [18:04] LifeFactory Writer: Well good on them....there is money in porn. [18:04] JenzZa Misfit: its true Tara ! [18:04] JenzZa Misfit: google it [18:04] Rissa Maidstone shakes her head. [18:04] Renee Saenz is Online [18:04] Tara5 Oh: really I will [18:04] LifeFactory Writer: But I would not choose to do it. [18:04] Master Quatro: hehe .. looks like half the rooms in Lively are sex related already [18:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m), Persis Trilling (5m) [18:05] Tara5 Oh: maybe that is why Chris was twittering he was feeling disillusioned with not doing something that bettered the human condition [18:05] CeAire Decosta just shakes her head. The veneer of civilization is still very thin! [18:05] Ana Herzog is Online [18:05] JenzZa Misfit: Master so true ! I think I saw one called : Have a Coke & Sex ! CLICK NOW ! *sigh* [18:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Scope Cleaver (8m) [18:05] Dizzy Banjo: thats a good point Mitch [18:05] Beithe Mills: Wohoo, i have to go DL it now, so i can check them out....... [18:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (3m), Persis Trilling (5m) [18:05] Chimera Cosmos: watch the world watching [18:05] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:05] JenzZa Misfit dusts off the petri dish [18:06] Virgil Outlander is Offline [18:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:06] Alanagh Recreant: bottom of the pyramid strategies... which is where Google Lively may be heading [18:06] Polaris Grayson: have to look past the pixels [18:06] Chimera Cosmos: bugs in a bottle hehe [18:06] CeAire Decosta: I would just like to be able to have 2-3 passwords. Not dozens...... [18:06] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (6m) [18:07] JenzZa Misfit: ao off [18:07] Malburns Writer: agreed mitch [18:07] Fizz Okame: thats a great comment [18:07] Beithe Mills: Google just has to make it easy to use.......then have enough content/information to draw people, that is all they need. [18:07] Will Granville is Online [18:07] Alanagh Recreant: there are a good few million of Africans using GMail... emerging markets for many companies [18:07] Fizz Okame: maybe the interaction factor? [18:08] Master Quatro: Google should just buy SL [18:08] Tara5 Oh: What do you think Lively offers for positive global development if anything Alanagh? [18:08] LifeFactory Writer: SL should buy google ;) [18:08] Fizz Okame: nah, SL should partner with Vivaty, AOL, and Apple as one group [18:08] Beithe Mills: That is more likely than many options Master [18:08] Master Quatro: and put some really strong technical minds to expand scalability [18:08] Beithe Mills: Or another big company [18:08] Tara5 Oh: Vivaty seems a much better technology open etc [18:08] Tara5 Oh: and embeddable [18:08] Sougent Harrop: That may be why SL is partnered with IBM.... [18:08] Seth Ock is Online [18:08] Fizz Okame: agreed [18:08] JenzZa Misfit: SL should just stand alone and set the bar :) ( once it works right I mean ! ) [18:08] Sougent Harrop: Scalability [18:09] You: Tara, for what it's worth, I think it helps the average person begin to learn about virtual worlds and become accustomed to them. [18:09] Robin Mochi: Google, SL and Apple...please. [18:09] Malburns Writer: SL would be MORE natural this lively for that [18:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [18:09] Tara5 Oh: yes I agree rissa [18:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [18:09] You: There are so many millions and millions of people that have no clue at all about virtual worlds. [18:09] Beithe Mills: Scalability is a common issue with web 2.0 sites..... [18:09] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (15m) [18:09] Master Quatro: there will clearly be several major players .. Google will be one of them .. they will fill needs of different market segments [18:09] Beithe Mills: not just VW's [18:09] Fizz Okame: what an exciting market to tap! And they all have email, right? [18:09] JenzZa Misfit: Lively will be the bunny slope ....... :) [18:09] You: Google's customer base, and the additions they'll make to this, certainly help insure that acceptance and the learning curve will happen much more quickly. [18:09] CeAire Decosta: LOL! [18:10] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:10] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (6m) [18:10] Sougent Harrop: That's true, there are some people that "don't get" SL, but they might use Lively, I think it's two different niches [18:10] Robin Mochi: yes, Rissa. Everyday I hear people tell me they have never heard of SL or the phrase Virtual Worlds....but Google, they've heard of Google.. [18:10] Alanagh Recreant: Tara5, it is early times... but Google is a known brand here in Africa and can capitalise on it... it also offers potential with being able to embed on websites. [18:10] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m), Surfdaddy Orca (13m), Mitch Wagner (15m) [18:10] You: Exactly, Robin. [18:10] You: I've an advisor on my board that has no clue about virtual worlds or SL. [18:10] Tara Yeats: Robin - and 10 years ago nobody had heard of Google ;-) [18:10] Polaris Grayson: yes thats the problem with companies coming in... heard one say ... well we are in now what... then they turn to in-world liasons to show them around [18:10] Eeron Kilian is Online [18:10] You: Very interesting perspectives too. [18:11] Tara5 Oh: and so the communication across boundaries is the key you think Alanagh [18:11] You: He is however, very technically inclined. [18:11] Beithe Mills: Exactly my point Robin, Lively is real easy to setup and use, and Google is a name everyone knows [18:11] Will Granville is Offline [18:11] Master Quatro: I make a very interesting living in SL .. I come here to work [18:11] JenzZa Misfit: ...I just hope people do not try Lively and think that is all there is .... to virtual life [18:11] John Zhaoying: Do we have any questions for the panel? [18:11] Beithe Mills: SL is better, but are people willing to spend extra time/energy/possible frustration for something? [18:11] John Zhaoying: I've been sorta monitoring, but have clearly missed some interesting comments. [18:11] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:12] Eleonora Porta: Theory of the diffusion ...it's a step ..only a step towords teen and people who are used to static chat [18:12] Alanagh Recreant: Tara5, I think that Google Lively has potential, but needs to be combined with the right civil society and educational to penetrate the market they aim for - especially around here. I can imagine that colleges, schools and NGOs is a good entry [18:12] Robin Mochi: yes, Beithe. I agree if Google can make Lively work in all the ways that SL works well and more. [18:12] Tara5 Oh: Are you going to post all this on the web W2Ws?? [18:12] Master Quatro: how can Lively compare with SL economy .. [18:12] Grace McDunnough is Online [18:12] Master Quatro: that is unique to SL in that scale [18:12] Dizzy Banjo: i wish we could just abandon these discussions of ROI.. virtual worlds are like the phone... they will become ubiquitous, because they accelerate humanity.. people wont make money IN virtual worlds, they will make it WITH them.. [18:12] Fizz Okame: Lively and Vivity will be alot bigger than the SL economy, because of their reach, dont you think? [18:12] Alanagh Recreant: JenZza, due to accessibility - for many people (if you think globally) that will be the case I think... [18:12] Malburns Writer: SL is a microcosm of RL and all sorts hjhappen here. But how could artists, misicians architects even began to use Lively? [18:12] Robin Mochi: Master, it can't at the moment. [18:12] Fizz Okame: Facebook has like 100 million users [18:12] Chase Marellan is Online [18:13] JenzZa Misfit: .... when I was at Lively .. just to greet people .... all ages ... with all manner of obscene text behavior ... eventually took over people just being social ... not good [18:13] Tara5 Oh: dizzy could you elaborate on "accelerate humanity"? [18:13] Fizz Okame: we only have about 11 million in Sl.... its huge [18:13] Tara5 Oh: I lost sound? [18:13] Dizzy Banjo: accelerate all aspects of humanity [18:13] Master Quatro: google's game is advertising [18:13] You: Wow JenzZa you're sure obssessed with sex. [18:13] You: obsessed [18:13] Rissa Maidstone flails. [18:13] Beithe Mills: That is what i think Fizz, but also do not think that SL will die because of Lively, Mcdonalds Vs Olive Garden again [18:13] JenzZa Misfit: .... excuse me ? [18:13] You: It's almost all you've brought up--porn and sex. [18:13] Rissa Maidstone chuckles. [18:13] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [18:14] Master Quatro: so yes if they can use Lively to promote ads .. and search .. then it could generate income for Google .. [18:14] Fizz Okame: no, I think SL is the great prototype...... that opened the door for these discussions [18:14] Fizz Okame: but to survive, it will need to become the web [18:14] Malburns Writer: van gogh [18:14] Fizz Okame: Sl to be the whole web [18:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: JenzZa Misfit (16m) [18:14] JenzZa Misfit: I think that is exactly what keeps SL from being accepted , Rissa ... so it is a concern my my [18:14] Master Quatro: think Home Depot .. Auchon .. etc [18:14] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (6m), Tara5 Oh (7m), Miko Omegamu (9m), Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:14] Eleonora Porta: The future I'm waiting is integration between google maps and google lively (or beter than lively I hope) [18:14] Master Quatro: think interaction [18:14] You: It's one reason, but, that's all over the net. [18:14] Dizzy Banjo: yes Eleonora [18:14] Fizz Okame: Sl should pair up and work with the web, to expand and get its avies and stuff out of here [18:15] JenzZa Misfit: ...................... l .... ol [18:15] ::: W2WChase: :) [18:15] ::: W2WIleneF: Everytime I'm in SL, I find something that delights me. [18:15] You: The more we belabor it, rather than focus on the positive, the more apparent it will be. [18:15] CeAire Decosta: Why the integration? So your avatar can walk across the globe?! [18:15] Tara5 Oh: Eleonora I think that is soon check out the Lively Worlds site? [18:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:15] Master Quatro: google bought Earth from Earthview .. they didn't craete anything [18:15] Dizzy Banjo: yeah thats a great site Tara [18:15] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m), Ronnie Rhode (8m), Mitch Wagner (15m) [18:15] Beithe Mills: think of this, real estate agent, has webpage, You look at a property, it zooms in on the earth, then into the neighborhood, then the room is a tour of the house..... [18:15] JenzZa Misfit: *snicker* [18:16] Tara5 Oh: what country is heidi from? [18:16] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m) [18:16] Sougent Harrop: Think of this, Real Estate Agent has link to property in SL that you can walk through interactively. [18:16] CeAire Decosta: I can see a point for that application, but how likely would you use it if you weren't looking for a house?! [18:16] Seth Ock: Beithe, that's an excellent use of any Virtual World. And Google's in a good position to deliver. [18:16] Chimera Cosmos: in 10 years a lot more adults will have a much higher computer skill level [18:16] Malburns Writer: lol [18:16] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m) [18:16] Chimera Cosmos: SL won't be such a stretch [18:16] AureA Memotech: A question: is lively, SL or any virtual world listening the needs of users in their developments or are we adapting us to everything? [18:16] Fizz Okame: lol, it is sort of tru...... we need a flag!!! [18:16] Ronnie Rhode: Beithe I wrote a speech for the pres of Ziff Davis back in 96 with just that, and also being greeted by a concierge as well. [18:17] Kim Seifert is Offline [18:17] Malburns Writer: i think so - it is truely internationalism too [18:17] JenzZa Misfit: ..this will be so fun to look back upon .. years from now :) [18:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:17] Master Quatro: I think Lively and Sl will appeal to 2 different audiences [18:17] Nber Medici is Online [18:17] CeAire Decosta: And SL can't duplicate the sounds of the interstate 1 mile away. The sinkhole developing down the street. The yappy neighbor's dog! [18:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (6m) [18:17] Master Quatro: they won't impact each other [18:17] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Nazz Lane (16m) [18:17] Fizz Okame: wouldnt you love to free your avie here onto the web, too? [18:17] Ronnie Rhode: I think Google's entry will just validate the market and grow it as a whole. [18:17] Beithe Mills: it could in time and if people wanted to add that CeAire [18:18] You: Seth! so glad you came! [18:18] ::: W2WChase: [18:18] Tara Yeats: CeAire - no reason those can't be included in a SL build! LOL [18:18] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Master Quatro (5m) [18:18] ::: W2WChase: W2WChase: W2WChase: [18:18] Master Quatro: I agree Ronnie [18:18] Fizz Okame: wouldnt it be cool to be able to jump all around the web and the richness of sl, too? [18:18] Burhop Piccard is Online [18:18] Seth Ock: I agree with Ronnie. [18:18] CeAire Decosta: I guess true! [18:18] ::: W2WChase: I agree withyou, Ronnie [18:18] Ronnie Rhode: Yep Master, it's always good when a second one comes in, especially with this sort of name cred. [18:18] Pavig Lok thinks backchannel chat is a lot more fluid in sl than the lively room [18:18] Seth Ock: SL has a very negative perception in some corners. [18:18] Master Quatro: I feel underdressed [18:18] CeAire Decosta: But it would take a lot of effort on the RE agent's part! [18:18] Ronnie Rhode: No more than companies having the chat lines now CeAire [18:18] Tara Yeats: Pavig - way easier to kekep track of speakers in SL than in Lively! [18:19] ::: W2WChase: Unfortunately, the offcolor rooms aren't going to help SL's rep. [18:19] Csven Concord: Google Lively. Because comfort zone is more important than continuing your personal development. [18:19] Sougent Harrop: Not a lot of effort if cad drawings can be imported into SL.... [18:19] Ronnie Rhode: Yes Chase, that makes me kinda nuts, I wish XXX were confined to certain sims only. [18:19] Robin Mochi: that was the case with SL a couple years ago, a niche community, but that is changing...for many reasons. Partly due to the economy, and due to the fact that there is an incredible amount of innovation going on in the educational community...the things that are being developed make SL all the more worth the cost it takes to get used to using it. [18:19] LifeFactory Writer: LifeFactory Writer is a "she" :) [18:19] Sougent Harrop: I hope someday to see the ability to import stuff from Sketchup, other cad programs into SL [18:19] CeAire Decosta: How many RL agents would go to the trouble to learn? [18:19] Dizzy Banjo: lol life [18:19] ::: W2WChase: Theoretically it is, Ronnie [18:19] JenzZa Misfit: oooo ! dont bring that up !! [18:19] Beithe Mills: Right now i think they are different levels of the same.......lively is McDonalds, cheap food, fast, get a fix and the hole in tummy filled, SL is a bit more, like Olive Garden, good food, spend time talking and hanging out..........i have never seen someone lean back in their chair at Mcdonalds and say "dmn that was good" but see it t olive garden [18:19] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (6m) [18:19] CeAire Decosta: It would only be for high end houses. [18:19] Tara5 Oh: my impression too [18:20] Jessica Qin is Online [18:20] Nazz Lane is Offline [18:20] Ronnie Rhode: CeAire if their bosses say learn it, they learn it. And this is free... [18:20] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: dinee Ghia (5m), Surfdaddy Orca (13m) [18:20] Tara5 Oh: it seems more like Twitter a good companion to Second Life [18:20] CeAire Decosta: I'm still not quite seeing it! [18:20] Gina Bachem is Offline [18:20] Dizzy Banjo: yeh tara [18:20] Ana Herzog is Offline [18:20] CeAire Decosta: LOL! Supper would be nice too! [18:20] Debs Regent: it's 3am here [18:20] Ronnie Rhode has an anvil [18:20] Tara5 Oh: machinima will be one of the most popular media in the rooms I guess [18:20] You: laugh! [18:20] You: hmm interesting Eric! [18:20] Ronnie Rhode: I'll drop one on your where I can build [18:21] Tara5 Oh: yes and someone jumped me [18:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: CeAire Decosta (13m) [18:21] CeAire Decosta giggles! [18:21] Ronnie Rhode: I'll show ya [18:21] Ronnie Rhode: I have one [18:21] Seth Ock laughs. [18:21] ::: W2WMeerKatje: left the SL event for a music event that are not happening, and now the region is full... who took my space! lol [18:21] Tara5 Oh: i think they had a sex animation hehe but no organs [18:21] Beithe Mills: flying/bouncing Marios and penises [18:21] Pavig Lok: anyone can grief anyone with an anvil in lively - click on someone [18:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Master Quatro (5m) [18:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: John Zhaoying (7m) [18:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (7m) [18:21] Ronnie Rhode: My anvil even says ACME on it [18:21] Ronnie Rhode: ROFL [18:21] Dizzy Banjo: lol pavig [18:21] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Robin Mochi (7m) [18:21] Tara Yeats: LOL [18:21] CeAire Decosta: ROFL! [18:21] Robin Mochi: ha! that makes it so much better! Can't wait to try it on my mac! LOL [18:21] Chimera Cosmos: like the 3 Stooges--teenage boys think fake pain is hilarious [18:21] Ronnie Rhode: haha yes chimera! [18:21] Malburns Writer: even those word baloons look sexual to me on you stream [18:22] Chimera Cosmos: but then again so does my spouse lol [18:22] You: Hey Zha welcome :) [18:22] Fizz Okame: yes. everyone wants to punch everyone with that interactive menu, lol [18:22] Malburns Writer: keep popping up - ugly [18:22] Tara5 Oh: and you can't refuse animations [18:22] Fizz Okame: but they cant block or give permission, which is weird. [18:22] Ronnie Rhode: Thanks for the chat, excellent, everyone. [18:22] AureA Memotech: thanks [18:22] Debs Regent: agreed [18:22] Beithe Mills: Yay, griefing built into the client [18:22] Tara5 Oh: can't refuse [18:22] Tara5 Oh: yes!!! [18:22] You: Thank you everyone! hang out to chat for a few :) [18:22] Eric Reuters: thanks everyone [18:22] Scope Cleaver: humm [18:22] Fizz Okame: thanks so much! [18:22] AureA Memotech: F2 F2 F2 [18:22] Malburns Writer: yes - good discussion [18:22] Malburns Writer APPLAUDS!!! [18:22] Scope Cleaver: /claps [18:22] CeAire Decosta: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-. [18:22] CeAire Decosta: Bravo! [18:22] Tara Yeats: yes, all you can do is "report" - lame! [18:22] Hawc Decosta: Hoooo! [18:22] LifeFactory Writer: Well if anything will make Lively more "popular" it will be its propensity for built in violence. *laughs in a somewhat cynical manner* [18:23] Master Quatro: good discussion [18:23] Poid Mahovlich: Claps Loudly [18:23] Chimera Cosmos: thanks for hosting this Rissa! [18:23] Tara Yeats: excellent presentation! [18:23] Fizz Okame: .clap [18:23] Tara Yeats: Clap clap clap clap clap! Woot! [18:23] Robin Mochi: yes, good discussion. The backchat was worth it too. Thanks all. [18:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Mitch Wagner (15m), JenzZa Misfit (16m) [18:23] Pavig Lok: indeed [18:23] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:23] Master Quatro: good job Rissa [18:23] Debs Regent: I'd love to knowwhat the point of SL is as opposed to the point of Lively? [18:23] AureA Memotech: When will have the next one? [18:23] You: Our pleasure, and thank you John, Eric, Rhonda, Mitch! [18:23] Fizz Okame: thank you :) [18:23] You: Thank you all! [18:23] CeAire Decosta: Cadillac to a Kia [18:23] LifeFactory Writer: Yes, wonderful event W2W. Thank you. Very neat to share mulitple rooms with some of you! [18:23] AureA Memotech: Buenas noches [18:23] Alanagh Recreant: thank you Rissa [18:23] Ronnie Rhode: Who wanted to anvil demonstration? It's pretty cool. Whoever it is, I can tp you to my nonprofit to show you. [18:23] Debs Regent: thank you Rissa [18:23] Dizzy Banjo: thanks all :D [18:23] You: Our pleasure :) [18:23] Chimera Cosmos: anvil! [18:24] Rissa Maidstone can now relax a bit! [18:24] Malburns Writer APPLAUDS!!! [18:24] Scope Cleaver: hehe [18:24] Chimera Cosmos: but make it a soft one :-) [18:24] Ronnie Rhode: I don't think I can build here so probably can't use my anvils here [18:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Fizz Okame (16m) [18:24] CeAire Decosta: .-'`'-. APPLAUSE APPLAUSE .-'`'-. [18:24] CeAire Decosta: Bravo! [18:24] dinee Ghia: *claps* [18:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (7m) [18:24] Mitch Wagner: I must go. Thanks for coming, everyone! [18:24] You: What a great group here too-comments and discussion have been terrific. [18:24] Malburns Writer: Tks Mitch [18:24] Mitch Wagner is Offline [18:24] You: Mitch, thanks! [18:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (6m), Hawc Decosta (14m) [18:24] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (13m) [18:24] Tria Boucher is Online [18:24] Scope Cleaver: Thank you Mitch [18:24] Fizz Okame: this is what is totally cool about SL! [18:24] Beithe Mills: Thank You! [18:25] Master Quatro: have a great evening everyone .. or whatever time of day it is for you [18:25] Fizz Okame: Hey Rachelle. [18:25] Stefan Buscaylet is Offline [18:25] Master Quatro: ciao from Boston ! [18:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Burhop Piccard (9m) [18:25] Fizz Okame: hi Master Quatro! [18:25] AureA Memotech: I knew about this event from SLED list, so thank you to the post of the colleages [18:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Fizz Okame (8m) [18:25] Scope Cleaver: Maybe there will be a big battle of VW like there is a big battle of OS... [18:25] Master Quatro: hi Fizz ! [18:25] Fizz Okame: Hi there ! [18:25] Surfdaddy Orca is Offline [18:25] Ronnie Rhode: Rissa I assume you can build here? [18:25] Seth Ock: I'd like to see that kind of competition, Scope. [18:25] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Pavig Lok (1m) [18:26] KimSmith Kanto is Offline [18:26] You: I can [18:26] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Master Quatro (5m) [18:26] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Burhop Piccard (9m) [18:26] Malburns Writer: Who will create the VW that BECOMES our OS? [18:26] You: What do you need Ronnie? sorry shutting down stuff on other comp so video can save faster [18:26] Chimera Cosmos: Steve Jobs lol [18:26] Beithe Mills: Ah, dmn, You beat me to it Malburns [18:26] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (7m) [18:26] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Miko Omegamu (9m), Debs Regent (13m) [18:27] Malburns Writer: Yep - that's the endgame i think [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: LifeFactory Writer (6m), Tria Boucher (6m) [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: AureA Memotech (8m) [18:27] Tara5 Oh: Rissa when will it be posted? [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Sougent Harrop (7m), Seth Ock (8m), Tara5 Oh (9m) [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Chase Marellan (7m), Csven Concord (8m) [18:27] LifeFactory Writer: I just heard someone drop the anvil. [18:27] JenzZa Misfit: ao on [18:27] You: Tria :) [18:27] You: So glad you're here! [18:27] You: Very good to see you again. [18:27] John Zhaoying: Phew. [18:27] Tria Boucher: HI Rissa [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (12m) [18:27] Tria Boucher: you too [18:27] Malburns Writer: Yes Debs - they are a contender [18:27] John Zhaoying: Okay ... my brain is now _here_. [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (6m) [18:27] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Burhop Piccard (9m) [18:27] You: Love seeing so many old friends and faces here. Seth....wow. [18:28] Rissa Maidstone grins. [18:28] Malburns Writer: but there are others [18:28] You: Our favorite alien. [18:28] Tara5 Oh: You filled the sim [18:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (10m) [18:28] Tria Boucher: don't quite see you yet, still rezzing [18:28] You: laugh! good to know [18:28] John Zhaoying: That was NOT as interactive as future events will be. [18:28] You: Haven't even had time to check the numbers [18:28] Burhop Piccard: Seth... and still an alien! [18:28] Ronnie Rhode gave you Anvil Dropper. [18:28] Seth Ock grins. Hiya Rissa! I tried getting in through Lively, but it just wasn't working out. [18:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Fizz Okame (10m) [18:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eleonora Porta (9m) [18:28] You: Thank you Ronnie! [18:28] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Persis Trilling (12m), Malburns Writer (12m) [18:28] Tara5 Oh: Lively crashed on me [18:28] Seth Ock: It's in my blood, Burhop! [18:28] Ronnie Rhode: Very welcome :) [18:28] John Zhaoying: Even in World2Worlds CoffeeOffice 2, Seth? [18:28] Tara Yeats: John - considfering new tech juggling you did great! [18:29] Fizz Okame: the cache really fills up n lively, too. I was getting alot of lag [18:29] Tara5 Oh: I lost all keyboard control [18:29] Ronnie Rhode: Go into mouse look to demonstrate it, it's a riot [18:29] Beithe Mills: This was the first event i have heard about since life 2.0 [18:29] Pavig Lok: lively got some wierd reality breaking stuff going on withtheir rooms [18:29] Tara5 Oh: I think you filled the lively room too [18:29] Fizz Okame: lol [18:29] Tara Yeats: yea, with Lively & SL running, Vista kept wanting to shut down SL [18:29] John Zhaoying: This is the first event we've done since Life 2.0, not counting the Linden thing on IP and SL5B. [18:29] You: Well, we've had to make some changes...It's W2W Events now...same kind of program as before. [18:29] Seth Ock: John, I was able o get there and chat with DebsRegent, but the audio feed was very flakey. [18:29] Tara5 Oh: I had seperate machines and I still crashed [18:29] You: With some new additions I'll be adding. [18:30] Pavig Lok: i _think_ that there is some wierdness happens when rooms hit capacity, that's not intuitive (i know you're sposta be just an observer but doesn't seem to work like that) [18:30] Burhop Piccard: is there a lively room running too? Url? [18:30] John Zhaoying: Were you on Shoutcast, Seth? [18:30] Beithe Mills: Oh, good, have not missed much then, TY [18:30] You: Most welcome! [18:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Poid Mahovlich (11m) [18:30] Malburns Writer: worked well John! [18:30] Tara5 Oh: yes whe will the sound be up i missed some things with too much multi tasking too many worlds [18:30] Fizz Okame: i finally got myself an x2 9800 video card. helps alot, but still laggy at stages [18:30] Ronnie Rhode: Thanks everybody, great discussion. [18:30] John Zhaoying: Lively room is at http://www.lively.com/dr?rid=-3524669289284570387 [18:30] Seth Ock: I activated the stream on the W2W web page. Was that shoutcast? [18:30] John Zhaoying: That was ustream audio. [18:30] You: If you don't have room to join the W2W Events group, you can register on the website and get news about events, etc. http://www.world2worlds.com [18:30] Seth Ock: Yeah. That's it, John.! [18:30] John Zhaoying: Oh -- the http://jjainschigg.serverrom.us:7586 one? [18:30] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Burhop Piccard (9m) [18:30] Ronnie Rhode is Online [18:31] John Zhaoying: That's Shoutcast. [18:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Poid Mahovlich (11m) [18:31] Tara Yeats: Rissa - can Life2.0 be replaced by W2W? [18:31] You: Hey Chimera! great to see you! [18:31] You: Tara, yes [18:31] Fizz Okame: hello [18:31] You: Hello Fizz, welcome. [18:31] Seth Ock: Well, next time I'll know better. I was running late again, so I wasn't going to make a fuss. [18:31] Eric Reuters: ok everyone I have to run. thanks so much for listening! john, thanks for having me [18:31] You: Eric, thank you! [18:31] Dizzy Banjo: ok im off.. thanks for the nice chat folks :D bai ! [18:31] Tara5 Oh: bye eric! [18:31] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Rachelle Munro (8m) [18:31] Grace McDunnough is Offline [18:31] Fizz Okame: thank you eric! [18:31] You: Dizzy, thank you for coming. [18:31] John Zhaoying: If you're searching for W2W Events in SL Group Search, type "W2W Events" or evil broken search will flummox you. [18:32] Pavig Lok: if anyone wants a comparative shot of both rooms i put one up at http://www.evernote.com/pub/paviglok/sldev#48b1adee-5754-4d77-937e-d995d1a57870 [18:32] John Zhaoying: Thanks for coming, Dizzy! [18:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tria Boucher (1m), Eleonora Porta (9m), Burhop Piccard (9m) [18:32] You: Oh nice Pavig! [18:32] ::: W2WChase: Bye, Dizzy! [18:32] Orb Offcourse is Online [18:32] Eric Reuters: take care all. "ericreuters" in google/lively, feel free to find me anytime [18:32] Eric Reuters is Offline [18:32] You: Pavig...happen to be one of the folks that was working with medical training at Stanford? [18:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tara5 Oh (10m), Poid Mahovlich (11m), Pavig Lok (11m) [18:32] Malburns Writer: tks Eric [18:32] Persis Trilling: night, everyone! [18:32] Toddles Lightworker is Online [18:32] Ronnie Rhode is Offline [18:32] Debs Regent: night all [18:32] Persis Trilling: thanks, Rissa! [18:32] Debs Regent: thanks Eric [18:32] Fizz Okame: nite :) [18:32] You: My pleasure and thank you for coming Persis! [18:32] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Seth Ock (10m) [18:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (6m) [18:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tria Boucher (1m) [18:33] Seth Ock: G'night, Debs! Thanks for trying to lend me your headphones. [18:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (12m) [18:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Pavig Lok (11m) [18:33] Debs Regent: AH Seth!! [18:33] Douglas Story is Online [18:33] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Eleonora Porta (9m) [18:33] Poid Mahovlich: night all :) [18:33] Seth Ock laughs. [18:33] Debs Regent: goodnight.. you are welcomed [18:33] Pavig Lok: me? um no i'm not with the stanford project but it rings a bell [18:33] Tara Yeats: nite Debs! :-) [18:33] Persis Trilling is Offline [18:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tria Boucher (1m), Tara5 Oh (10m), Pavig Lok (11m) [18:34] You: I'd like to thank John for moderating this great panel, too. [18:34] Icy Fredriksson is Offline [18:34] You: Hey Burhop! [18:34] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Malburns Writer (12m) [18:34] Fizz Okame: nice last name, Ozzy! [18:34] dinee Ghia: take care all.. John, Rissa.. wonderful to see you both again. Its been a very interesting evening. [18:34] You: Night dinee! [18:34] dinee Ghia: *smiles* [18:34] Burhop Piccard: Hi Rissa! great show :-) [18:34] John Zhaoying: Great to see you, dinee. I'm sorry we didn't get more of a chance to chat. [18:34] You: thank you for coming! [18:35] You: Thank you Burhop! more to come! [18:35] Debs Regent: it's late for me 2.30 thank you all for a very entertaining evening [18:35] dinee Ghia: heh.. next time :) [18:35] Scope Cleaver: Thanks Rissa for the event [18:35] Malburns Writer: Nite Debs [18:35] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Debs Regent (6m), Pavig Lok (9m) [18:35] Scope Cleaver: See you all later, have fun in any world! [18:35] LifeFactory Writer: Yes, this was very fun and very interesting. Take care, All! [18:35] You: My pleasure, Scope and I'm so glad you came. [18:35] Texas Timtam is Online [18:35] LifeFactory Writer: lag is finally catching up to me. [18:35] John Zhaoying: I wanted also to thank Chase Marellan and InterSection Unlimited for chatBridge support and ... emotional support. [18:35] Fizz Okame: nite or day, all! great meeting!!! cheers and later :) [18:35] Alanagh Recreant waves.... [18:35] Burhop Piccard: It is taking forever to get into lively... [18:36] Alanagh Recreant: back to bed here [18:36] John Zhaoying: Lively is pretty full. [18:36] John Zhaoying: We maxed Lively. [18:36] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tria Boucher (1m), John Zhaoying (12m) [18:36] John Zhaoying: (cough) [18:36] Chase Marellan: Thank you, John. :) [18:36] Seth Ock chuckles. [18:36] Burhop Piccard: And why does my lively avatar look so depressed? [18:36] Pavig Lok: i recon it'll fill with tweens [18:36] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Pavig Lok (9m) [18:36] You: laugh [18:36] Seth Ock: He prefers SL, Burhop. [18:36] Tara5 Oh: g'nite all! [18:36] John Zhaoying: Luckily, they don't let tweens in here unless they have credit cards [18:36] You: Night Tara5 and thank you so much for coming! [18:36] Malburns Writer: Nite Tara [18:36] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Alanagh Recreant (10m), Chimera Cosmos (10m) [18:36] Eleonora Porta: Goodnight and ty [18:37] Tara5 Oh: thanks for a great event but ido want to catch up on the sound I missed with too much multitasking!! [18:37] You: Night Eleonora, great blogs lately btw [18:37] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Tria Boucher (3m), Chimera Cosmos (9m) [18:37] Pavig Lok: interesting thing with lively is there's really nothing to do apart from arrange the furnityre and chat..... when you make a world like that the main demographic it appeals to is bored teens who can anvil each other and talk about crap [18:37] Dino Hallard is Online [18:37] Polaris Grayson: Been an honor... everyone have a great evening [18:37] Tara5 Oh: ping me please when and where it is posted! [18:37] Eleonora Porta: :) [18:37] John Zhaoying: Will do, Tara. [18:37] You: brb need a minute RL...thank you for coming Polaris! [18:37] John Zhaoying: Thank you for coming, Polaris. [18:37] Eleonora Porta is Offline [18:37] MystiTool HUD 1.0.23: Entering chat range: Ozzy Wozniak (10m) [18:38] Burhop Piccard: Rissa, John, any of this recorded? I missed a bit when the sim was full. [18:38] John Zhaoying: All of it. [18:38] Seth Ock: I agree Pavig, but Lively is so new that we can't write off improvements that will make it more SL-ish. [18:38] Tara5 Oh: any idea john when the sound will go up? [18:38] John Zhaoying: Well, unless the recording requires huge editing, pretty much "tonight." [18:38] John Zhaoying: Did I say "uhhh ..." a lot? [18:38] Seth Ock: Excellent! I heard a bunch of clips that sounded neat. [18:38] John Zhaoying: I like to make myself sound smarter than I am. [18:39] Tara5 Oh: cool! thanks [18:39] Malburns Writer: If i can ever install Lively will prob make room with video or slideshow containing active links to SLurls [18:39] Pavig Lok: nods... i do think they've started off on the wrong foot tho... if they don't move towards a more solid foundation soon it'll have a massive teen market and be dismissed by business and edu as a kids thing [18:39] John Zhaoying: Whoa ... Malburns .... [18:39] John Zhaoying: What a subversive concept ... [18:39] John Zhaoying: Make 10,000 Lively rooms with links to terrific sims in them. [18:39] You: grin [18:39] Seth Ock: Possibly ... but it IS Google. I give them some wiggle room. [18:39] You: that's a great idea [18:39] Malburns Writer: could work! [18:39] You: OH yeah Seth, for sure. [18:40] John Zhaoying: Walk into a boring coffee-shop and see "SL Africa -> Want a REAL experience? Click here"